On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Bjorn Pehrson
<bpehrson@kth.se> wrote:
No, I would
definitely not decline, I would be happy to accept, as
long as it is free for non-commercial use.
So here is the flaw in your logic. These educational and
scientific organizations are not in the business of
maintaining physical circuits. That is left to the
Level3's, Vodafone's and Cogent's of the world. Each of
these organizations lease circuits and dark fiber from them.
None of them have laid a single piece of cable from one
country to another (with perhaps the exception being CERN).
They are in the business of Science! Not
telecommunications. At some point you are left with peering
on a commercial network broadcasting your routes.
Either I am unclear or you haven't got it. I would accept free
transit from anyone, but I wouldnt trust anyone else than hams with
44/8 addresses, not even research and education networks.
Free transit does not involve ham resources.
I don't think anyone here has ever brought up or would be willing to let non-ham related traffic over the RF networks. Addressing isn't the issue. Routing and peering is.
If multi-million dollar corporations and cities are
having a hard time implementing it, what makes you think a
group of blowhards wearing plastic antennas can do it
better?
Well, it is often easier to do things that are guaranteed not ever
to become commercial than things that definitely are commercial
since everyone wants a piece of the pie.
Since when is it detrimental to make money? I'd much pay a little and have a high Quality of Service than beg and plead for free bandwidth that can be taken away easily. If it lends to the adage "when all else fails - amateur radio" then maybe it's worth putting in a couple of coins. Amateur Radio has and will very likely always will be a service without compensation. But there is no reason to take it to the extreme of anti-capitalism.
While I completely understand your position and agree
with it in some aspect, the fact is that 44net itself is not
a space regulated by the IARU and other than whatever your
country applies to free speech, is not bound to keeping with
non-commercial/non-business rules. It is a allotment of
public network address space. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I am certainly aware of that 44net is not regulated by IARU, but by
ICANN and that IANA and regional registries may be watching us. I am
under the impression, correct me if I am wrong, that the rules
applying to 44net are very unclear since the allocation is unique
and that it might be better to show good conduct rather than ask or
misbehave.
The rules to 44net are no different than the rules that apply to ARIN/RIPE/AFRIN/DoD/IBM/MERIT or any other subnet holder. You have to meet a certain level of technical standards for compatibility (RFC).
Whether or not anyone will talk to you is entirely based on what kind of network neighbor you are.