Matthew,
Why should you be sorry. It’s a good question. Much information on the net is US based and these do allow third part traffic, but the UK rules have always been very specific that “Amateur Radio” is for “Amateurs” and not for commercial use. How could you ensure that providing general internet access was not used for commercial use. If you were allowed third party traffic you would also have problems with the clauses on “offensive language”.
My copy of the “Guidance Notes” says at 2.84:-
“This may mean that the licensee must implement monitoring or other checks in order to take reasonable steps to ensure compliance with the Licence or to remedy any breaches that emerge.”
Even to have a BBS you need an NOV which seems crazy as its all Amateur traffic…
https://ukrepeater.net/forms_central.html
.. see the BBS form…….
… perhaps I should have commented on the recent consultation that we should relax the rules on Packet radio, but I didn’t
Dave
G4UGM
From: Matthew H (2E0SIP) <44net@marrold.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:12 AM
To: dave.g4ugm@gmail.com
Cc: Tom M0LTE <tom@m0lte.uk>; 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi all,
Thanks for the speedy responses, very helpful.
>> * Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio frequencies
> Not a good idea - apart from the obvious issue of accessing HTTPS / encrypted sites then having that encrypted data transported over amateur RF frequencies (which would not be permitted in a lot of countries due to licence restrictions) there is also the grey area of providing general internet access to third parties.
> Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF
Yes I didn't really think that one though sorry. I was trying to ask some broad questions to get a general feel for what's acceptable and didn't consider UK license conditions.
Slightly different tack in that case, could 44net space be used as the source IP for general internet access to a club radio shack, over wired / wireless Ethernet operating outside of the amateur bands? Let's assume the underlying network is provided by a landlord and NAT or an aggressive firewall is causing issues.
Thanks
Matthew
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:54 AM dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Tom,
No third party traffic on UK licences. You can communicate only with Amateurs
Dave
From: Tom M0LTE via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:37 AM
To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi Dave
I have no skin in the game, but I am curious- encryption aside (assume blocked for purposes of question, regardless of technical feasibility) can you share please on what basis you reach that conclusion? Purely on the ‘encryption for the purpose of obscuration’ limitation in the licence?
Cheers
Tom
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 at 09:30, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Matthew,
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF.
Dave
G4UGM
From: Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:02 AM
To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: [44net] Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi all,
The Terms of Service states:
"Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for the purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other special uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"
I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with examples of acceptable use cases? A few examples that I'm curious if they're permitted or not:
- Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from the public internet, including from non radio amateurs.
- Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio frequencies
- Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as an IRC server for discussing cars, but it's only reachable from other 44net addresses and RF users
- Providing general outbound internet access to servers and services that might need to pull software updates from non-radio amateur servers.
- Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related server such as a DMR Master, to other radio amateur related servers outside of 44net
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Matthew
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