On 21 Dec 2022, at 20:09, Dan Cross via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 2:48 PM Chris Smith via 44net
<44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
When you corrupt the DNS as you did here, you create the potential for
severe damage or loss of life. I have assigned several subnets to San
Bernardino RACES and other emergency response groups who potentially
rely on DNS to function and you can take those networks down in one
ignorant action.

This concerns me greatly.

ARDC licence their IP address space "exclusively for the purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation”. If anyone (coordinator or otherwise) chooses to allow the address space to be used for any other purpose, they cannot provide any SLA, or other assurances of any sort on behalf of ARDC.

Chris,

   For what it's worth, I interpreted the original statement to mean
other amateur-radio emergency response groups. Indeed, as emcomm is
one of the major use cases for amateur radio, this seems entirely
consistent with use of the ARDC IP space.

The ARDC address space is not designed for use in any circumstances where a person’s life is in any way reliant upon it (or any ancillary services, such as DNS) being available at any time.

   It could be argued that supporting emergency communications is a
major part of the amateur radio endeavor; this interpretation seems
inconsistent with the "purpose of Amateur Radio communications" part
of the ARDC agreement.  If this is indeed the case, it may make sense
to call it out explicitly, in writing, in the licensing information.

Actually it does: "ARDC cannot be held responsible for interruptions in service or failures of any network infrastructure, nor for the content of communications received or sent. You acknowledge the experimental nature of the AMPRNet and of ham radio in general. As a consequence, You agree that ARDC owes You no duty to ensure the dependability of the AMPRNet for life, safety, or other important communications.”

The entire terms can be read here: https://www.ampr.org/about/legal/terms-of-service/

The terms of use specify: "All address(es) licensed to You remain the sole and exclusive property of ARDC. You do not obtain any rights, title, or interest in the address(es) nor in the AMPRNet.”

and also: “Licenses may be rescinded or suspended by ARDC at any time and for any reason.”

   That's fair, but it's also qualitatively different than someone
doing so due to a miscommunication; in that respect, this seems a bit
tangential.  It would be very odd indeed of ARDC revoked a block of
address space used by an amateur radio emergency support organization
for no reason other than that it could.

I’m not saying that it WOULD happen intentionally, only that is COULD happen, and therefore ARDC addresses cannot be guaranteed. My point is that, together with the context of the first extract above, nobody should be using ARDC address space in such a manner that anyone’s life is dependant upon them. This point is particularly relevant where address space that isn’t even registered in the portal is being used for emergency communications.

73,
Chris - G1FEF



       - Dan C. (KZ2X)
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