This is addressed primarily to N4NEQ...

I am really glad I don't do this anymore.  17 years was enough.  The amount of bickering that is going on here now is just about more than I've ever heard in the past and I am relieved that I'm no longer involved.

I realize you are probably relatively young and are a very "well-connected" individual and as such, the world doesn't quite move fast enough for you.  I understand that you have an "I'm smarter than you are and either do it the way I think it should be done or get out of my way" attitude.  I see this sort of thing every day now.  And it seems like every 5 years or so, somebody comes along here with your intelligence and esprit de corps and tries to shake things up to make them "better" and then goes away angry when things don't quite go the way he wanted them to.

A lot of 44-net and gateways management history came BEFORE you were involved here, and I think you should try and understand a little more of that history before you start insulting people for not being as network-savvy or professionally motivated as you perhaps are.

The fact that some people who have been around this community longer than you have derived from your posts that what you are lobbying for may endanger the enjoyment of others (if it is "appeased") is perhaps more indicative of your approach rather than the actual merits of your ideas.  If you start from a position of antagonism then people WILL be concerned and WILL resist change.

There is nothing wrong with discussing new ideas, or even old(er) ones that were never fully implemented in the past.  Just try and tone it down a bit.  I think you will find your results will improve considerably and you'll be able to get more support for what you want to do that way.

That's my contribution for today and I hope you take it in the amateur spirit that it was offered.

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73, de Barry, K2MF >>


On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Ralph <ralphlists@bsrg.org> wrote:
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Many Radio Amateurs may not be in a position to become network buffs, but oh
pleeze, the ones that work with this stuff are.
And since this is now the 21st century, many Radio Amateurs actually have
Internet connections now.  They may not be in a position to hit some packet
network that will give them 44 space access for whatever they plan to do,
but they darn sure have an ISP.

There is no appeasing needed because there is no group demanding tunnels go
away.
The idea is that 44net is not J U S T for tunnels anymore.
Did you not understand that?
Why do you guys act like someone is trying to kidnap your mama?

Ralph N4NEQ






Some people sed:
> In my opinion, whatever a small but vocal group is claiming, we need
> to support tunnels.  Not everyone is in the position to announce BGP
> routes, and many radio amateurs have no intention to become network
> buffs.
>
> Rob

Rob,

You made a very good point by appeasing one group this may push other away.

Diversity and a delicate balance is needed.




Jerry, KD4YAL

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