Maybe an AUP that is clearly written is needed.
On 9/27/2023 10:37 PM, Steve L via 44net wrote:
In my opinion, the issues of applicable radio regulations aren't to be mixed with the ARDC acceptable use policy. They are two separate things.
The ARDC is not in a position to advise hams in the various countries what is permitted and what is not by their regulators.
The use policy concerns use of the loaned address space. Bickering or advise about radio regulations can be done outside of this list.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 4:23 AM Peter Hannay via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:
In relation to general internet access you prevent access to
encrypted services via traffic inspection or use a transparent proxy
to strip encryption upstream before it hits the radio link.
Some sites would break if they use HSTS, but many services would
work just fine.
You'd want to make sure users understand this though, as accessing
anything that requires a login would be a terrible idea.
Just some thoughts I've had as I'm planning to provide some limited
access to the internet via RF and want to make sure I'm doing things
in a completely above board manner.
Cheers
Peter VK6HAX
On Wed, 27 Sept 2023, 5:12 pm Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net,
<44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for the speedy responses, very helpful.
>> * Providing general outbound internet access for radio
amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating
on the allocated amateur radio frequencies
> Not a good idea - apart from the obvious issue of accessing
HTTPS / encrypted sites then having that encrypted data
transported over amateur RF frequencies (which would not be
permitted in a lot of countries due to licence restrictions)
there is also the grey area of providing general internet access
to third parties.
> Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does
not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound
internet access to Amateurs via RF
Yes I didn't really think that one though sorry. I was trying to
ask some broad questions to get a general feel for what's
acceptable and didn't consider UK license conditions.
Slightly different tack in that case, could 44net space be used
as the source IP for general internet access to a club radio
shack, over wired / wireless Ethernet operating outside of the
amateur bands? Let's assume the underlying network is provided
by a landlord and NAT or an aggressive firewall is causing issues.
Thanks
Matthew
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:54 AM dave.g4ugm--- via 44net
<44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:
Tom,____
No third party traffic on UK licences. You can communicate
only with Amateurs____
Dave____
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*From:*Tom M0LTE via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org
<mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:37 AM
*To:* 44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
*Subject:* [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service____
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Hi Dave____
__ __
I have no skin in the game, but I am curious- encryption
aside (assume blocked for purposes of question, regardless
of technical feasibility) can you share please on what basis
you reach that conclusion? Purely on the ‘encryption for the
purpose of obscuration’ limitation in the licence?____
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Cheers____
Tom____
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 at 09:30, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net
<44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>
wrote:____
Matthew,____
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence
does not permit you to use your station to provide
general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF.____
Dave____
G4UGM____
____
____
____
*From:*Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net
<44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:02 AM
*To:* 44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
*Subject:* [44net] Clarification on Terms of Service____
____
Hi all,____
The Terms of Service
<https://www.ardc.net/about/legal/terms-of-service/> states:
/"Your license permits You to use certain addresses
exclusively for the purpose of Amateur Radio
communications and experimentation, or other special
uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"/
I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with
examples of acceptable use cases? A few examples that
I'm curious if they're permitted or not:____
* Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from
the public internet, including from non radio
amateurs.____
* Providing general outbound internet access for radio
amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or
WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio
frequencies____
* Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as
an IRC server for discussing cars, but it's /only
/reachable from other 44net addresses and RF users____
* Providing general outbound internet access to
servers and services that might need to pull
software updates from non-radio amateur servers. ____
* Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related
server such as a DMR Master, to other radio amateur
related servers /outside/ of 44net____
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Matthew
2E0SIP____
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