Rosy, All,

 

I fully agree with Tom’s assessment.

 

Jack Spitznagel – KD4IZ

Associate Editor – AMSAT News Service

AMSAT Ambassador

kd4iz@arrl.net

 

 

 

From: Tom M0LTE via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 03:50
To: 44Net general discussion <44net@mailman.ampr.org>; Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV <rosy@ardc.net>
Subject: [44net] Re: Mailman migration

 

Hi Rosy

 

groups.io is the obvious choice here. 

 

Ticks the boxes of:

- simple, modern, widely adopted and not just by hams

- doesn’t need someone to maintain some server

- keeps the format of email

- also has a good web UI

- free/cheap

 

Best regards

Tom

 

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 02:12, Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

Thanks for the discussion, folks.

Have people enjoyed groups.io better?


Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV
Executive Director
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)
ampr.org

On 4/21/22 6:08 PM, Damien Gardner via 44net wrote:
> Yeah I'm just adding my vote for please god, do NOT move to discourse. 
> SAGE-AU moved to discourse a couple of years ago, and it killed the
> organisation.  As it turned out, like 90% of the members REALLY like
> email, and had absolutely no interest in moving their conversations to a
> web message board.  As much as discourse likes to say it supports email,
> it really doesn't do a good job of it, and with members cracking the
> shits and leaving, SAGE-AU went broke last year, and now we don't have a
> peak body for IT Professionals in Australia.
>
> --DG
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 11:03, Jim Kutsch KY2D via 44net
> <44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>     Here's just one vote *NOT* to use Discourse. It's a discussion
>     system, not email. So we have to go there to see if anything is new
>     rather than just having info come in our inbox. For me (YMMMV) I
>     find it like having an inconvenient PO Box that you have to
>     intentionally go visit to see if anything is there vs. mail being
>     delivered to my home mailbox.
>
>     73 Jim KY2D
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org
>     <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>
>     Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 20:53
>     To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
>     Subject: [44net] Re: Mailman migration
>
>     Hey Jeff,
>
>     Great question. As it turns out, we are in fact looking to switch to
>     Discourse.
>
>     https://www.discourse.org/ <https://www.discourse.org/>
>
>     Curious if folks haved used it and like it.
>
>     Rosy
>
>     Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV
>     Executive Director
>     Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)
>     ampr.org <http://ampr.org>
>
>     On 4/21/22 5:44 PM, Jeff Hochberg via 44net wrote:
>      > Evidently, some of the configurations were transferred over, but
>     not the
>      > user database. I'm unable to authenticate and, even if I try to
>     perform
>      > password recovery, I get the following message:
>      >
>      > "The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account"
>      >
>      > Not for anything but why not just switch to something like Google
>     Groups
>      > or Groups.io instead of having someone host a Mailman server?
>      >
>      > Jeff Hochberg
>      > W4JEW
>      > Atlanta, GA
>      > jeff@w4jew.com <mailto:jeff@w4jew.com> <mailto:jeff@w4jew.com
>     <mailto:jeff@w4jew.com>>
>      >
>      >
>      > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:03 AM Mike Tindor via 44net
>      > <44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
>     <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     I too have the same issue with regard to logging in to mailman.
>      >     The password reset claims my Gmail address is not a valid user ("
>      >     The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account ")
>      >
>      >     Mike / AA8IA
>      >
>      >     On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:56 AM Jon Anhold <jon@anhold.com
>     <mailto:jon@anhold.com>
>      >     <mailto:jon@anhold.com <mailto:jon@anhold.com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >         Looks like this lost my digest preference, and I am unable to
>      >         login via the web interface to change it - it says I am not a
>      >         user when I try to reset my password.
>      >
>      >         73 de KM8V
>      >
>      >         On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:51 AM Mike Tindor via 44net
>      >         <44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
>     <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >             Looks like there might be a little more to do, with
>     regard
>      >             to email reputation.
>      >
>      >             SPF and DKIM signing fail, and there is a published DMARC
>      >             record that quarantines 100% of DMARC failures.   So the
>      >             list emails are going to end up in spam folders (they
>     ended
>      >             up in my Gmail spam folder) because SPF/DKIM/DMARC
>     all failed.
>      >
>      >             2a0a:bb00:0:44::1d needs added to themailman.ampr.org
>     <http://themailman.ampr.org>  <http://mailman.ampr.org
>     <http://mailman.ampr.org>>  SPF record
>      >
>      >             and it appears themailman.ampr.org
>     <http://themailman.ampr.org>  <http://mailman.ampr.org
>     <http://mailman.ampr.org>>  emails are being signed with anARDC.NET
>     <http://ARDC.NET <http://ARDC.NET>>  DKIM key rather than
>     amailman.ampr.org <http://amailman.ampr.org>
>     <http://mailman.ampr.org <http://mailman.ampr.org>>  DKIM key
>      >
>      >             Mike / AA8IA
>      >
>      >
>      >             On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:07 AM Chris Smith via 44net
>      >             <44net@mailman.ampr.org
>     <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org
>     <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >                 Hello All,
>      >
>      >                 FYI, we had an issue with the mailing list server
>     last week:
>      >
>      >                 The server the mailing list is hosted on
>     experienced an
>      >                 unexpected reboot. The server came back up ok and all
>      >                 the services associated with the mailing list
>     continued
>      >                 to run, so Nagios (the application we use to
>     monitor our
>      >                 systems) did not report any issues. However, the
>     sudden
>      >                 reboot had corrupted several open files
>     associated with
>      >                 the mailing list software (Mailman 2.1) and the 44net
>      >                 mailing list was not passing emails. As the list
>     often
>      >                 goes through quiet periods this was not noticed for
>      >                 several days.
>      >
>      >                 Unfortunately the backup period for the server
>     was only
>      >                 set to a few days and by the time the issue was
>      >                 investigated all the available backups were of the
>      >                 corrupted files.
>      >
>      >                 As the longer term plan was always to migrate
>     from the
>      >                 older (now unsupported) Mailman 2.1 to the latest
>      >                 Mailman 3.1 the decision was taken to migrate the
>      >                 mailing list to a new server. ARDC already has a
>     Mailman
>      >                 3 server for some internal mailing lists, so we
>     migrated
>      >                 the 44net list there.
>      >
>      >                 I am pleased to report that the archives from the old
>      >                 server were successfully migrated over, so no loss of
>      >                 data there thankfully.
>      >
>      >                 The web interface for the new home of 44net can
>     be found
>      >                 here:
>      >
>      >
>     https://mailman.ardc.net/mailman3/postorius/lists/44net.mailman.ampr.org/
>     <https://mailman.ardc.net/mailman3/postorius/lists/44net.mailman.ampr.org/>
>      >               
>       <https://mailman.ardc.net/mailman3/postorius/lists/44net.mailman.ampr.org/ <https://mailman.ardc.net/mailman3/postorius/lists/44net.mailman.ampr.org/>>
>      >
>      >                 The MX record has been updated to point to the new
>      >                 server, so you should continue to send emails to
>      > 44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
>     <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>
>      >                 to post to the list.
>      >
>      >                 I want to take this opportunity to thank John -
>     KI5D for
>      >                 hosting the mailing list since we had the last
>     big crash
>      >                 in 2012. The mailman server, with John looking
>     after it
>      >                 has provided excellent service to the community.
>     John is
>      >                 going to continue to help out by acting as admin
>     for the
>      >                 44net mailing list on it’s new home.
>      >
>      >                 Best 73,
>      >                 Chris - G1FEF
>      >
>      >
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