44net June 2024

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by Razvan YO6RZV

Hello all, Quick question, I tried to find informations about the AMPR WHOIS, but I did not find something relevant. I'm trying to see how my BGP announced allocation is showing up in the AMPR WHOIS. I tried first from my home ISP, but I was prompted with a 403 Forbidden Apache webpage on the whois.ampr.org. I also tried to access the same via the 44Net VPN (Wireguard) and I've received the same. Tried to access it via one of my BGP announced IP's, the same. If somebody has a KB or some informations about the restrictions (e.g. who can interogate the WHOIS) from what IP Addresses, etc. I would really appreciate gaining some informations about this side. -- 73's Thanks, Razvan - YO6RZV

3 days, 19 hours

44Net Update, June 21, 2024

by Rebecca Key

** *Hey Everyone,* * Below are some updates from this week regarding 44Net: As of today, about 43 new portal tickets remain (19% increase from last week), and about 285 tickets are open and awaiting response (3% increase from last week). Despite an increase in tickets from last week, the number of new tickets and the number of tickets open/awaiting response have decreased within the last three weeks or have remained constant (14% decrease and no significant change, respectively). Since April 3, we have closed 729 tickets (8% increase from last week). Regarding DNS claims: if you have any that you would like deleted, please email a list to newportal(a)ardc.net <mailto:newportal@ardc.net>, and we’ll take care of deleting them for you. ARDC is Hiring: if you’re interested in applying for the role of Technology Department Manager, send a resume and cover letter to hr(a)ardc.net <mailto:hr@ardc.net>. Ensure that your documents include your call sign, and be sure to send all files (including a cover letter) as a PDF attachment without spaces in the name (e.g., jane-doe-cover-letter.pdf). You can learn more about the role by checking out our latest blog post here: https://www.ardc.net/technology-department-manager/ <https://www.ardc.net/technology-department-manager/> Finally, as many of you have asked about ways to help with the portal: if you come across something in the docs (https://www.ardc.net/wp-content/uploads/portal-2.0-technical-documentation-…) that’s not clear or intuitive, or if you have other feedback, please let us know at newportal(a)ardc.net <mailto:newportal@ardc.net>. As always, let us know if you have any questions! 73 and have a great weekend, Rebecca KO4KVG * -- Rebecca Key - KO4KVG Communicaions Manager Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ardc.net

4 days, 12 hours

Fwd: [ardc] ARDC is Hiring: Technology Department Manager

by Charles J. Hargrove

"Experience working with nonprofits and/or open-source technology projects is required." In other words, if you come from a corporate background then don't bother. The last few months have shown us that they absolutely need corporate experience! On 6/20/2024 5:13 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > We are currently hiring for the role of Technology Department Manager. > If you're interested in applying, send a resume and cover letter to > hr(a)ardc.net <mailto:hr@ardc.net>. Please ensure that your documentation > includes your amateur radio call sign, and be sure to send all files > (including a cover letter) as a PDF attachment without spaces in the > file name (e.g., jane-doe-cover-letter.pdf). > > To learn more about the role, check out our latest blog post: > https://www.ardc.net/technology-department-manager/ > <https://www.ardc.net/technology-department-manager/>. > > 73, > Rebecca > KO4KVG -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan

5 days, 8 hours

Re: [ARDC:44Net] [ardc] ARDC is Hiring: Technology Department Manager

by Charles J. Hargrove

But purposely block the for-profit corporations? Not cool and shortsighted. On 6/20/2024 9:36 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > Non-profit can still be corporate experience. There are many large corporate non-profits; healthcare being one. Many skilled IT directors in healthcare networks. >> On Jun 20, 2024, at 9:32 PM, Charles J. Hargrove <n2nov(a)n2nov.net> wrote: >> >> "Experience working with nonprofits and/or open-source technology projects is required." >> In other words, if you come from a corporate background then don't bother. >> The last few months have shown us that they absolutely need corporate experience! >> >>> On 6/20/2024 5:13 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote: >>> Hey Everyone, >>> We are currently hiring for the role of Technology Department Manager. If you're interested in applying, send a resume and cover letter to hr(a)ardc.net <mailto:hr@ardc.net>. Please ensure that your documentation includes your amateur radio call sign, and be sure to send all files (including a cover letter) as a PDF attachment without spaces in the file name (e.g., jane-doe-cover-letter.pdf). >>> To learn more about the role, check out our latest blog post: https://www.ardc.net/technology-department-manager/ <https://www.ardc.net/technology-department-manager/>. >>> 73, >>> Rebecca >>> KO4KVG -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan

5 days, 9 hours

Re: IPIP tunnel for Mikrotik

by KUN LIN

Oh, I am on ROS7/CHR. Is there a way to get it work on ROS7? Kun ________________________________ From: Marius Petrescu via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:18 To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Subject: [44net] Re: IPIP tunnel for Mikrotik The v3.1 scripts are for ROS up to 6.40, and the v3.2 scripts from ROS 6.41 up to the latest v6 releases. The scripts do NOT work on ROS 7 due to the fact that the RIP handling changed and the RIP timers do not work correctly. Marius, YO2LOJ On 18/09/2023 18:01, KUN LIN via 44net wrote: Hi Has anyone setup the IPIP tunnel successfully in Mikrotik? I think the instruction in Wiki is written for ROS 2.0. Things has changed a lot and I have trouble following. I created the IPIP tunnel in the interface and not sure what to do next. I added my IP subnet to the IP tab. The RIP configuration menu is very different now. Kun _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org<mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org<mailto:44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org>

6 days, 19 hours

Re: Organization Callsigns (was: Re: Update re: subdomains)

by Dan Cross

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 3:30 AM Chris via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > [snip] > 2. In relation to point 1. How do we vet the person requesting access to use an organisation’s call sign? This is really only an issue for US based clubs as the call sign has a trustee listed on the ULS database, but it would seem, that person is not always able/willing/interested in creating an account on the portal to have the call sign verified. This certainly needs more thought. > > The ideal situation would be for the trustee to create an account on the portal, verify the call sign, then hand it off to another member in the organisation, i.e. once setup they do not have to be the POC for the call sign - is this really asking too much of someone who has already agreed to be the trustee, which arguably comes with such responsibilities? This will, of course, be case dependent. In some cases, yes, it really is asking too much. In other cases, no. Should the trustee be involved at all? I would say that yes, they should. Some sort of proactive means for them to acknowledge delegation seems reasonable. But there ought to be a minimally invasive way for them to be, probably one that doesn't involve the portal. Taking a step back and trying to examine it from a holistic standpoint, it's about striking a balance between validating the authority of using the call to prevent abuse, and the bureaucratic hassle involved for the users/trustees. Merely being a trustee requires very little administrative burden. As I understand it, in the US, it can all be handled via mail through the US postal service; occasionally one sends the equivalent of a postcard to the FCC. That's it. This can obviously be done by nearly anyone, including by folks who are not technical, don't use computers, etc. As has been mentioned, e.g. by AE0JE, such people certainly exist. And even where folks have the technical expertise to do this, they may have neither the time nor the desire. As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty much the only one in my club pushing to make use of AMPRNet. No one else particularly cares---I hope they will once they see how some of the cool stuff one can do with it, but we're not there yet. Forcing our callsign trustee to create an account on the portal, presumably going through his own verification process (requiring tickets and so on) all just for him to say, "yes, Dan can use the club's callsign to request an allocation" sounds like a good way to make the project stall indefinitely. Being the trustee for a callsign does not really confer any additional status on the person; among many clubs it's a minor chore taken on by whatever member who agrees to do it, but the responsibility can be passed around between different people over time. For instance, consider what happens if the trustee moves and leaves the club, or loses interest in radio, or (sadly) becomes an SK? The club doesn't necessarily cease to exist, and the callsign is still perfectly valid, but the trustee responsibility necessarily moves to someone else. This must be accounted for in some way in whatever policy emerges around this. - Dan C.

1 week, 3 days

Re: Club Callsign Verification

by Eric Johnson

Ok, makes sense. It sounds like there is a ham responsible for maintaining the node. Why couldn't you use that ham's callsign for DNS services? Eric AE0JE On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, 1:55 PM Terence Theijn <terence(a)theijn.nl> wrote: > Ibm isn’t the user/maintainer they just host the site. They don’t have > access to or are allowed to use the network in any way. They just host the > pop in my example. > > So just providing roof access and power. > > 73 > > On 15 Jun 2024, at 19:46, Eric Johnson via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > wrote: > > > I understand it's not a repeater, that's just the best analogy I have. We > have a similar system here, but it's not as well-known or widespread as > hamnet. > > Usually, any DNS name that resolves to an IP is equivalent. Can you > elaborate on why you couldn't use a subdomain on a callsign? > > Furthermore, could you address the questions regarding non-ham (IBM) use > of this system? > > Eric AE0JE > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, 1:38 PM Terence Theijn <terence(a)theijn.nl> wrote: > >> Hamnet pop isn’t a radio repeater. It’s a pop for hamnet. We call the 44 >> net hamnet here and it runs on wireless links. >> >> It’s a complete wireless mesh network with many p2p links providing >> network connectivity to other hams/repeaters etc. >> >> So just adding a subdomain before a callsign isn’t going to cut the needs. >> >> 73 >> >> PD3T >> >> On 15 Jun 2024, at 14:27, Eric Johnson <micromashor(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Chris: Sounds good, thank you. >> >> Terence, >> >> I am not the most familiar with hamnet, although at some point, there has >> to be a ham involved, right? The way repeaters typically work here is that >> a ham or group of hams speaks to a building owner and asks for an agreement >> to host a repeater and a little bit of rooftop space. That repeater is then >> usually referred to by the callsign of the ham(s) who maintain it and have >> the agreement with the building owner. >> >> Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but does hamnet usually work in a >> similar way? If so, couldn't the site be named pi90ibm.pd3t.ampr.org, >> assuming you are the maintainer of that site? >> >> If there isn't a ham involved at any step: >> - How is it legal use of the amateur bands? >> - Is it really a ham radio network at that point? >> >> Eric AE0JE >> >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, 6:01 AM Terence Theijn <terence(a)theijn.nl> wrote: >> >>> I see a lot of issues with hamnet pops without clubcallsings and are >>> just commercial building owners willing to host the housing for a hamnet >>> pop to extend the amprnet wireless network range. >>> >>> You do want those site to be recognizable some of those sites can even >>> host services like remote sdrs. >>> >>> For example ibm is willing to host a pop for network coverage. To make >>> it recognizable you can name it pi90ibm. This aint an official callsign. >>> How is one going to verify that? >>> Did you think about those? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> PD3T >>> >>> >>> On 15 Jun 2024, at 09:12, Chris via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A copy of the official PDF download from the ULS site of the club’s call >>> sign; >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org > To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org > >

1 week, 3 days

Re: Club Callsign Verification

by Eric Johnson

I understand it's not a repeater, that's just the best analogy I have. We have a similar system here, but it's not as well-known or widespread as hamnet. Usually, any DNS name that resolves to an IP is equivalent. Can you elaborate on why you couldn't use a subdomain on a callsign? Furthermore, could you address the questions regarding non-ham (IBM) use of this system? Eric AE0JE On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, 1:38 PM Terence Theijn <terence(a)theijn.nl> wrote: > Hamnet pop isn’t a radio repeater. It’s a pop for hamnet. We call the 44 > net hamnet here and it runs on wireless links. > > It’s a complete wireless mesh network with many p2p links providing > network connectivity to other hams/repeaters etc. > > So just adding a subdomain before a callsign isn’t going to cut the needs. > > 73 > > PD3T > > On 15 Jun 2024, at 14:27, Eric Johnson <micromashor(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Chris: Sounds good, thank you. > > Terence, > > I am not the most familiar with hamnet, although at some point, there has > to be a ham involved, right? The way repeaters typically work here is that > a ham or group of hams speaks to a building owner and asks for an agreement > to host a repeater and a little bit of rooftop space. That repeater is then > usually referred to by the callsign of the ham(s) who maintain it and have > the agreement with the building owner. > > Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but does hamnet usually work in a > similar way? If so, couldn't the site be named pi90ibm.pd3t.ampr.org, > assuming you are the maintainer of that site? > > If there isn't a ham involved at any step: > - How is it legal use of the amateur bands? > - Is it really a ham radio network at that point? > > Eric AE0JE > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, 6:01 AM Terence Theijn <terence(a)theijn.nl> wrote: > >> I see a lot of issues with hamnet pops without clubcallsings and are just >> commercial building owners willing to host the housing for a hamnet pop to >> extend the amprnet wireless network range. >> >> You do want those site to be recognizable some of those sites can even >> host services like remote sdrs. >> >> For example ibm is willing to host a pop for network coverage. To make it >> recognizable you can name it pi90ibm. This aint an official callsign. How >> is one going to verify that? >> Did you think about those? >> >> Regards >> >> PD3T >> >> >> On 15 Jun 2024, at 09:12, Chris via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: >> >> A copy of the official PDF download from the ULS site of the club’s call >> sign; >> >>

1 week, 3 days

Re: Club Callsign Verification

by Chris

Hi Terence, As I said previously in relation to subdomains - other formats will be considered on a case by case basis, if someone requests a subdomain that isn’t a call sign there are other ways of verifying the identify of the person should ARDC decide that the request is appropriate. 73, Chris - G1FEF — ARDC Administrator Web: https://www.ardc.net > On 15 Jun 2024, at 11:01, Terence Theijn <terence(a)theijn.nl> wrote: > > I see a lot of issues with hamnet pops without clubcallsings and are just commercial building owners willing to host the housing for a hamnet pop to extend the amprnet wireless network range. > > You do want those site to be recognizable some of those sites can even host services like remote sdrs. > > For example ibm is willing to host a pop for network coverage. To make it recognizable you can name it pi90ibm. This aint an official callsign. How is one going to verify that? > Did you think about those? > > Regards > > PD3T > > >> On 15 Jun 2024, at 09:12, Chris via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: >> >> A copy of the official PDF download from the ULS site of the club’s call sign;

1 week, 3 days

Re: Club Callsign Verification

by Eric Johnson

Chris: Sounds good, thank you. Terence, I am not the most familiar with hamnet, although at some point, there has to be a ham involved, right? The way repeaters typically work here is that a ham or group of hams speaks to a building owner and asks for an agreement to host a repeater and a little bit of rooftop space. That repeater is then usually referred to by the callsign of the ham(s) who maintain it and have the agreement with the building owner. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but does hamnet usually work in a similar way? If so, couldn't the site be named pi90ibm.pd3t.ampr.org, assuming you are the maintainer of that site? If there isn't a ham involved at any step: - How is it legal use of the amateur bands? - Is it really a ham radio network at that point? Eric AE0JE On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, 6:01 AM Terence Theijn <terence(a)theijn.nl> wrote: > I see a lot of issues with hamnet pops without clubcallsings and are just > commercial building owners willing to host the housing for a hamnet pop to > extend the amprnet wireless network range. > > You do want those site to be recognizable some of those sites can even > host services like remote sdrs. > > For example ibm is willing to host a pop for network coverage. To make it > recognizable you can name it pi90ibm. This aint an official callsign. How > is one going to verify that? > Did you think about those? > > Regards > > PD3T > > > On 15 Jun 2024, at 09:12, Chris via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > > A copy of the official PDF download from the ULS site of the club’s call > sign; > >

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