44net January 2021

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Inviting you to ARDC Grantmaking Survey + Community Jitsi Call
by Rosy Wolfe 12 Mar '21

12 Mar '21

Hello 44net! Hope you are healthy and well wherever you are. I'm writing to invite you to a couple of things. 1. ARDC Grantmaking Survey The first is an invitation to take this survey about ARDC grant making, which you can find here: https://www.mysurveygizmo.com/s3/5789610/ARDC-Grantmaking-Feedback-Survey The survey covers our existing granting goals and some of the kinds of projects that we've funded so far. What do you think? What other grants would you like to see? Do you know of organizations, either in the US or abroad, that you'd like to see us fund? Let us know - it shouldn't take more than 5 minutes, more if you decide to give some longer written-out answers. 2. 44net + ARDC Community Video Call We'll go over the results together in a community video call, happening Saturday Oct. 10, 2020, at 17:00 UTC (10am PT / 1pm ET / 6pm BST / 7pm CEST). On this call, we'll introduce ARDC Board members, grants advisory committee members, and staff; go over the survey results together; talk about our grants made to date; and talk about any questions you have. If there's anything in particular you'd like ARDC to cover in the call, please let us know by responding to this mail or sending me a message directly: rosy(a)ampr.org. Here is the link to the call: https://meet.jit.si/ardc-44net-community-meeting-oct-10-2020 A note on the times: I realize that the times listed are more convenient for folks in the Americas, Africa, and Europe. If enough people from Asia and Australia wish to join but can't for timing reasons, we may do another group call for those time zones. Part of this exercise is also learning about 44net's distribution - where is everyone located? I'm looking forward to finding out. I'm also looking forward to better getting to know 44net and the greater ham community, and to use what I learn to help shape ARDC's 2021 grantmaking strategy. We are in a fortunate position to do a lot of good in the world - so let's do it! All the best, Rosy -- Rosy Wolfe Executive Director Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org

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Feb. 6 Community Meeting + New Survey
by Rosy Wolfe 06 Feb '21

06 Feb '21

Hello, 44net! It's 2021, and things are already getting off to a running start at ARDC. We've got a big year of grantmaking and 44net portal work in store for the year, with additional members being added to our Grants Advisory Committee (GAC) and a new Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) being created to support both efforts. We'll have more to share about it soon, and we'd love to tell you about it at our next **community meeting**: * Saturday, 06 Feb 2021 * 18:00 GMT (10am PT / 1pm ET / 7pm CET) Join us by signing up here: https://www.ampr.org/feb-6-meeting-sign-up/ In this meeting, we'll cover: * Highlights from 2020, * Grantmaking goals in 2021, * Introductions of new Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) and Grants Advisory Committee (GAC) Members, * Survey results from our latest survey, discussed below, and * Questions from our attendees. This meeting will be similar to the one we held on 10 Oct. 2020: https://www.ampr.org/recap-ardc-44net-oct-10-community-call/ This one is intended for a much broader audience. So - please tell your friends! We also plan to record this meeting for those who can't make it. ## New Survey Leading up to the meeting, we're also asking amateur radio enthusiasts to give us their thoughts in this survey: https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/6096699/ARDC-Amateur-Radio-Survey Please share it with other hams you know. As with the last survey, the aim is to get to know the people we aim to support through our grantmaking. And like our upcoming meeting, it too is meant for a broader audience. That's all for now! Looking forward to sharing more with everyone soon. All the best, Rosy -- Rosy Wolfe - KJ7RYV Executive Director Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org

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Re: [44net] Concerning over undocumented BGP announcements
by Nat Morris 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:55 PM G1FEF <chris(a)g1fef.co.uk> wrote: > > > > On 31 Jan 2021, at 14:09, Nat Morris <nat(a)nuqe.net> wrote: > > > > Which blocks did you report? > > I don’t really want to go into specific details on an open mailing list. Suffice to say that keeping an eye on these and responding to problems keeps me busy enough! Why not? what is to hide? hijack discussions happen on other mailing lists in the public. So no more comment from yourself as the BGP co-ordinator on the prefixes in the report? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nb4cTYVG1tm4HpxgPp7TAcgZ_qOlcej1whd… If you really do have the details on all these prefixes, there should be no reason you can't provide a statement on each, if it is an expected announcement, misconfiguration or hijackk Without you being slightly more forthcoming in public, in my eyes it puts the whole integrity of co-ordinating AMPRnet BGP announcements in doubt. > > Any explanation for these prefixes announced in the UK by AS61337, > > along side your portal prefixes, they are not documented at all in the > > portal: > > Not all allocations appear in the public listing on the portal, for various reasons. Try the Whois server if you want by check specific prefixes. Where is this publicly documented? > > RADB is ok, but not sufficient for the future. A better investment > > would be for the ARDC to negotiation with one of the 5 RIRs for > > prefixes to be registered there, so we could all benefit from use of > > their RPKI trust anchors. > > I can’t see that happening anytime soon I’m afraid, if ever, unless they drastically change their terms. We won’t do anything that risks losing our legacy status. Have the ARDC approached each RIR and discussed this? > > Having prefixes in RADB will not provide > > trust anchor functionality. > > Agreed, and RPKI is something we understand is desirable, there are several ways it could be achieved and will be the focus for the TAC at some point in the future. > > >> Which repo is this development taking place in? > > The development is taking place currently and will be open sourced when it’s ready. In the meantime, if you want to have input on any features you would like to see, feel free to contact Rosy and/or myself. I'd like to see planning for this taking place in the open, not closed. > > I noticed the github.com AMPRnet Portal repo has been removed. > > There was no point in it being there, we tried that route a couple of years ago and didn’t get anywhere. Nat, -- Nat https://nat.ms +44 7531 750292

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Concerning over undocumented BGP announcements
by Nat Morris 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

Hello all, Over the last few months I have noticed some odd BGP announcements of prefixes which have no allocations in the AMPRnet portal. After spotting 5 or 6 of these it made me wonder how many existed. This evening I took a snapshot of the RIPE RIS data for announcements within 44.0.0.0/9 and 44.128.0.0/10, which took place in 2021. Then scraped the allocations from the AMPRnet portal, compared prefixes directly and then used a radix tree to find a best match. The resulting data https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nb4cTYVG1tm4HpxgPp7TAcgZ_qOlcej1whd… At first glance there are some expected entries, for example users with a /22 or /23 announcing a more specific /24. What really worries me is the amount of announcements of /24s where the closest portal documented prefix is a /16. Are these being used legitimately? do AMPR co-ordinators what details about them? or have they been hijacked? Look for example at /24 announcements within country assignments, but no specific description! I would like to start a discussion around these specific prefixes. The scripts I wrote are here https://github.com/natm/amprnet-observer Kind regards, Nat. -- Nat https://nat.ms +44 7531 750292

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Ubiquiti XRouter X Gateway
by Lee D Bengston 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

Hello, I have followed the instructions at https://wiki.ampr.org/wiki/Installing_ampr-ripd_on_a_Ubiquiti_EdgeRouter_or…, but am encountering an error when running the ampr.sh script. line 28: /usr/sbin/ampr-ripd: cannot execute binary file The binary file is executable and I am attempting to run it from root. Line 28 has not been modified in the script: ampr-ripd -s -t 44 -i tun44 -m 90 The instructions say only to modify if needed, and based on the info in the Wiki I did not see a need to modify it, but I may be missing something. Any ideas? 73, Lee K5DAT

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BGP
by Angelo 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

I was wondering how long does it take for the routing tables to update on the internet? I have setup a 44.108.2.12 as a test machine. My BGP has been approved. I am able to surf the web with no issues, but here still seems to be no route to the ip address. It seems to stop at : sdsc-7710-7--mcore-vl2995-p2p.ucsd.edu [132.239.255.50] Tracing route to bbs.n5eqo.ampr.org [44.108.2.12] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dsldevice.attlocal.net [192.168.1.1] 2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 108-196-208-1.lightspeed.nworla.sbcglobal.net [108.196.208.1] 3 * * * Request timed out. 4 18 ms 15 ms 15 ms 12.123.239.110 5 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 12.122.28.29 6 19 ms 15 ms 15 ms attga402igs.ip.att.net [12.122.117.121] 7 13 ms 14 ms 16 ms 4.68.62.225 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 53 ms 53 ms 53 ms CENIC.ear1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.35.156.66] 10 55 ms 57 ms 54 ms dc-lax-agg8--lax-agg6-100ge-2.cenic.net [137.164.11.7] 11 55 ms 55 ms 54 ms dc-tus-agg8--lax-agg8-300g.cenic.net [137.164.11.83] 12 56 ms 55 ms 55 ms dc-sdg-agg4--tus-agg8-300g.cenic.net [137.164.11.85] 13 63 ms 55 ms 55 ms dc-ucsd-100ge--sdg-agg4.cenic.net [137.164.23.177] 14 55 ms 54 ms 54 ms nodem-core-6807-vlan2767-gw.ucsd.edu [132.239.254.61] 15 55 ms 55 ms 55 ms sdsc-7710-7--mcore-vl2995-p2p.ucsd.edu [132.239.255.50] 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. Any help would be appreciated. 73 de Angelo

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New /24 IP allocation "referred to BGP coordinator" No visible action.
by Geoff Joy 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

On or about January 5, 2021 I received an end-user allocation request for a "direct" /24 allocation "for working with ARDEN and IRLP for VPN and link setups" which I approved and submitted via portal.ampr.org. It didn't create the allocation I assigned to the network but was "referred to BGP coordinator". So far, there has been no action and no response to the original request nor a follow up to my request via the "contact us" link on the black hole that is the ampr.org portal. What is the status of the system and how are coordinators expected to act in this regard? I try to give my users timely, responsive service but it's very frustrating when I can't even track a submission or review submission histories. The end user has informed me that he is still awaiting action on the request. ke6qh

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 9, Issue 131
by Jay Koby 28 Jan '21

28 Jan '21

Confirming that ARIN's web-based IRR system won't allow 44net addresses, since there's no underlying allocation from one of ARIN's ranges. Your upstream provider will probably not be able to put in the IRR objects for you. For IRR, AltDB doesn't have a simple web interface but it does work regardless of the RIR (or lack of) that originally allocated the IPs. I don't think there's a way to use RPKI on the 44net range as of yet, though - that would likely need either a contract for one of the RIRs to sign resources or ARDC to set up, maintain, and gain trust for a certificate authority and handle RPKI requests like the RIRs do. Either of these is a pretty significant undertaking. 73 de K0BYJ, -- Jay On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 3:00 PM <44net-request(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > Send 44Net mailing list submissions to > 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 44net-request(a)mailman.ampr.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 44net-owner(a)mailman.ampr.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 44Net digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 44NET Route Objects IRR (Caleb Pal) > 2. Re: 44NET Route Objects IRR (G1FEF) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Caleb Pal <cleb(a)defcon-3.net> > To: James Colderwood via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:57:53 -0800 > Subject: Re: [44net] 44NET Route Objects IRR > Hello, > > Your upstream providers may be able to put a proxy obj into the ARIN db > for you. Unfortunately ARIN changed their IRR db in June of this year. > They added a web based IRR service. According to ARIN, the web based > service only allows you to add object for resources you own (your > upstream ISP could not create those proxy objects since they do not own > the 44net resources). If they still use the ARIN email IRR system, they > can add proxy objects, they will just appear as ARIN-NOAUTH in the IRR > db. I don't think NOAUTH is a problem for most providers now, but could > be down the road if they start filtering/ignoring NOAUTH entries. > > Of course altdb, radb and others are options (full list at: > http://www.irr.net/docs/list.html). Not sure how other RIR's outside the > US are handling NOAUTH entries. > > I assume since AMPR does not have a RSA with ARIN, Chris cannot create > IRR records for those folks who BGP advertise AMPR resources? > > v/r, > > Caleb > > On 12/13/2020 10:08, James Colderwood via 44Net wrote: > > Hi Pierre, > > > > Thank you for the heads up. I was aware of altdb but it hadn't crossed > > my mind. Hopefully one of these solutions will work :-). > > > > On 2020-12-13 17:32, Pierre Emeriaud wrote: > >> Le dim. 13 déc. 2020 à 12:04, G1FEF via 44Net > >> <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> a écrit : > >>> > >>> > On 13 Dec 2020, at 09:54, James Colderwood via 44Net > >>> <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Hi All, > >>> > > >>> > May I wish you all happy holidays! > >>> > > >>> > Quick question, I'm working on establising my 3rd upstream but hit > >>> a snag. The suppliers validation automation prohibits announcing > >>> AMPR addresses as the system can't qualify validity. > >>> > >>> Are you talking about automatically checking entries in an IRR, or > >>> RPKI? > >> > >> For service providers requesting an IRR route object to automate > >> filter creation I've been using altdb. While it has not a lot of value > >> in terms of authorization (anyone can create objects about any > >> resource - a proper LOA has more value here) it is usually enough for > >> provisioning tools to create appropriate filters / prefix-lists: > >> > >> $ whois -h whois.altdb.net 44.151.210.0 > >> route: 44.151.210.0/24 > >> descr: F4INU > >> origin: AS206155 > >> mnt-by: MAINT-AS206155 > >> > >> $ bgpq3 -4 -l F4INU as206155 > >> no ip prefix-list F4INU > >> ip prefix-list F4INU permit 44.151.210.0/24 > >> > >> > >> 73 de F4INU > >> -- > >> pierre > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: G1FEF <chris(a)g1fef.co.uk> > To: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:26:28 +0000 > Subject: Re: [44net] 44NET Route Objects IRR > > I assume since AMPR does not have a RSA with ARIN, Chris cannot create > > IRR records for those folks who BGP advertise AMPR resources? > > The vast majority of folk advertising their subnet over BGP are using > altdb with no issues (currently). > > IIRC, altdb is run by one person, so if you don’t already have a MNTNER > object there, it can sometimes take some time to get one. > > Chris > > > > > v/r, > > > > Caleb > > > > On 12/13/2020 10:08, James Colderwood via 44Net wrote: > >> Hi Pierre, > >> > >> Thank you for the heads up. I was aware of altdb but it hadn't crossed > >> my mind. Hopefully one of these solutions will work :-). > >> > >> On 2020-12-13 17:32, Pierre Emeriaud wrote: > >>> Le dim. 13 déc. 2020 à 12:04, G1FEF via 44Net > >>> <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> a écrit : > >>>> > >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 09:54, James Colderwood via 44Net > >>>> <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi All, > >>>>> > >>>>> May I wish you all happy holidays! > >>>>> > >>>>> Quick question, I'm working on establising my 3rd upstream but hit > >>>> a snag. The suppliers validation automation prohibits announcing > >>>> AMPR addresses as the system can't qualify validity. > >>>> > >>>> Are you talking about automatically checking entries in an IRR, or > >>>> RPKI? > >>> > >>> For service providers requesting an IRR route object to automate > >>> filter creation I've been using altdb. While it has not a lot of value > >>> in terms of authorization (anyone can create objects about any > >>> resource - a proper LOA has more value here) it is usually enough for > >>> provisioning tools to create appropriate filters / prefix-lists: > >>> > >>> $ whois -h whois.altdb.net 44.151.210.0 > >>> route: 44.151.210.0/24 > >>> descr: F4INU > >>> origin: AS206155 > >>> mnt-by: MAINT-AS206155 > >>> > >>> $ bgpq3 -4 -l F4INU as206155 > >>> no ip prefix-list F4INU > >>> ip prefix-list F4INU permit 44.151.210.0/24 > >>> > >>> > >>> 73 de F4INU > >>> -- > >>> pierre > >> > > _________________________________________ > > 44Net mailing list > > 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org > > https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net > > > > _______________________________________________ > 44Net mailing list > 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org > https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net >

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other decentralized p2p networks
by Steve L 25 Jan '21

25 Jan '21

Since there are people talking about revamping how we are doing this with the amprnet it might not be a bad idea to look at what others are doing. Here is one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_network_42 https://dn42.eu/Home

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Updated setup instructions for vyos
by Kevin Hastings 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

Hello all, Does anyone have up to date setup instructions for Vyos? I have been able to get ampir-rip installed and it appears to be creating routes and can receive pings via one of my IPs with a DNS address configured however pings to that address from a non 44 machine are being responded to via the wrong interface. I have so far been unable to ping anything on the 44 side but am not currently convinced the routing is configured correctly. Thanks, Kevin VA3PSL

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