8 Jun
2012
8 Jun
'12
11:48 p.m.
Ralph,
Could you consider formulating your generous offer as some sort of
sponsoring of a link level infrastructure for a part of AMPRnet but
leave the network level involving 44/8 addresses to some sort of
association of the involved hams or local ham club that negotiates a
delegation with the AMPRNet root?
Bjorn
On 06/08/2012 05:02 PM, Ralph wrote:
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What "network" Brian? What "subversion"? Me thinks thou art a bit
paranoid, lol.
We are talking about IP addresses on the Internet, not your private tunneled
network.
As we said when we first asked you months ago, we happen to be an ISP who
serves Hams as well as others.
N O T H I N G was ever said about converting anything to commercial, but E V
E R Y T H I N G was said about routing through devices that are not Ham
radios. The end users are Hams. Almost every Dstar radio in Georgia is
within range of our network, as are most IRLP nodes. Why deprive them of 44
Space just because it gets there over a commercial network?
We (and I am sure others) are offering to have this resource ride on
redundant, fast, fiber and other networks AT NO CHARGE and you still keep
thinking that someone is trying to steal "your network", or "your
addresses".
No one is threatening anything and no one is a loose cannon. But you still
seem to be unwilling to listen to anything else.
Ralph
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[mailto:44net-bounces+ralphlists=bsrg.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of
Brian Kantor
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:40 AM
To: AMPRNet working group
Subject: Re: [44net] Use of the network
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On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:53:10AM -0400, Ralph wrote:
If I am a Ham, and have the right to use the
space, and it is provided
to me over Non-Amateur-Radio means (i.e. Routed to me by my ISP over
wireless, fiber, tin cans and a string), then I feel that I can and
will use it for what I want.
That is precisely why it is necessary to have
contractual restrictions to
keep the network limited to ham radio related activities.
One proposal was that all endpoints must be ham stations or facilities
primarily provided by and for hams.
I rather like that; it's fairly non-restrictive and allows for just about
any kind of transport or intermediate routing but should keep the netspace
from being subverted to commercial interests.
- Brian
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