Re: [44net] routable or private?

Thats right. So all of these 44/8 networks have organised themselves a BGP peering to the internet. If you have a look at the “via xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx” part of the list below and put it into a geolocation service you can see where they are. e.g. http://www.ip2location.com/demo Like 44.136.138.0/24 via 114.31.199.1 is in Sydney Australia and the peering is to Vocus On 1/04/2014, at 10:34 am, Neil Johnson <neil.johnson(a)erudicon.com> wrote: > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) > _______________________________________________ > Here is example output... > > show ip route 44.0.0.0 longer-prefixes > Codes: C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP > D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area > N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 > E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2 > i - IS-IS, su - IS-IS summary, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2 > ia - IS-IS inter area, * - candidate default, U - per-user static route > o - ODR, P - periodic downloaded static route > > Gateway of last resort is 128.223.51.1 to network 0.0.0.0 > > 44.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 30 subnets, 8 masks > B 44.12.6.0/24 [20/31] via 129.250.0.11, 2d02h > B 44.0.0.0/8 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 7w0d > B 44.136.138.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 1w4d > B 44.136.139.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 1w4d > B 44.136.150.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 1w4d > B 44.136.151.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 1w4d > B 44.16.15.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 4w3d > B 44.136.158.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 1w5d > B 44.136.224.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 1w4d > B 44.136.227.0/24 [20/0] via 114.31.199.1, 1w4d > B 44.103.0.0/19 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 1w4d > B 44.68.52.0/24 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 4w1d > B 44.161.252.0/22 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 4w4d > B 44.34.128.0/21 [20/31] via 129.250.0.11, 2d02h > B 44.140.47.0/24 [20/0] via 217.75.96.60, 7w0d > B 44.140.0.0/16 [20/0] via 217.75.96.60, 6w1d > B 44.46.160.0/22 [20/0] via 4.69.184.193, 1w3d > B 44.139.0.0/16 [20/0] via 4.69.184.193, 1d10h > B 44.98.254.0/24 [20/0] via 4.69.184.193, 1w3d > B 44.169.48.0/20 [20/0] via 195.66.232.239, 1d10h > B 44.144.0.0/16 [20/10] via 89.149.178.10, 4w0d > B 44.24.240.0/20 [20/0] via 12.0.1.63, 2w4d > B 44.130.99.0/24 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 1w1d > B 44.135.120.0/24 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 7w0d > B 44.127.128.0/24 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 1w6d > B 44.140.64.0/23 [20/0] via 217.75.96.60, 00:30:13 > B 44.140.66.0/24 [20/0] via 217.75.96.60, 00:30:13 > B 44.74.128.0/24 [20/0] via 216.218.252.164, 2w4d > B 44.140.79.0/24 [20/0] via 217.75.96.60, 7w0d > B 44.208.0.0/16 [20/0] via 194.85.40.15, 3d20h > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Pete McCormick > <pete.mccormick(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) >> _______________________________________________ >> If you're ever interested in what's being advertised you can always check a "route view" server. If you google "route view" server you'll get a big list. I normally use "route-views.optus.net.au" because it's close to me and a cisco. >> >> you can then telnet to it without having to log in: >> telnet route-views.optus.net.au >> >> then when you're in you can issue a "show route" command. For example: >> >> show ip route 44.0.0.0 longer-prefixes >> >> This will give you all the 44net's advertised out to the internet. >> >> If you're interested in digging into the bgp specifics you can pick a network and issue this command: >> >> show ip bgp 44.140.64.0/23 >> >> This will give you the AS paths and bgp routes to 44.140.64.0/23 along with some metrics. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pete >> ZL1PCM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/04/2014, at 9:58 am, Michael E Fox - N6MEF <n6mef(a)mefox.org> wrote: >> >>> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Steve, >>> >>> Huh? AMPRnet is already routed. >>> >>> The entire 44.x space is already reachable from anywhere on the Internet via >>> the BGP peer router at UCSD. And I understand portions are also announced >>> via BGP elsewhere (mostly in Europe, as I understand it). So in that >>> respect, it's no different than any other public address allocation to a >>> global entity that announces a prefix with BGP at the "home office" and >>> (optionally) longer prefixes elsewhere. >>> >>> But the entire AMPRnet is not contiguous except by the use of tunnels. >>> Connectivity within the local "islands" is routed. We happen to use a >>> combination of RIP (where needed) and OSPF in our part of the network. And >>> connectivity between the islands is routed over tunnel interfaces. The >>> options there are static or RIP. Again, this is not much different than a >>> corporation that uses VPN tunnels between sites. A tunnel is just another >>> interface to a router. Tunneling does NOT indicate a lack of routing. >>> >>> The 44.x address space allows globally unique addressing within the ham >>> community. It would be impossible to do that with network 10 since it is >>> already used for other private address space. There is simply no way to >>> deal with all of the address overlaps. Surely anyone with even basic IP >>> routing knowledge can understand this. >>> >>> So I don't understand what your concern is. What specific problem are you >>> trying to solve? In other words, what is it (specifically) that you can't >>> do today with the existing infrastructure? >>> >>> Also, what type of services are you running today, and how many of each? >>> >>> Michael >>> N6MEF >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 44net-bounces+n6mef=mefox.org(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu >>> [mailto:44net-bounces+n6mef=mefox.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Steve >>> Wright >>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 1:05 PM >>> To: 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu >>> Subject: [44net] routable or private? >>> >>> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> If this is, " a hack to backbone a semi-private network on top of the >>>> public internet" then why do we need 44/8? Please explain why 10/8 would >>>> not work just as well? >>>> >>>> [....] if it's not going to be routable then why do we need 44/8? use >>>> RFC1918 space and give 44/8 back. [...] We could attract many >>>> into this hobby if we'd simply offer to be the teachers of the IP >>>> networking craft using standards based methods used by everyone else >>> across >>>> the internet. >>>> >>> >>> PRECISELY. >>> >>> Can we please make a decision on this and move ahead? >>> >>> I'd like to know, one way or the other, because I sure aint interested in >>> all this private 44net stuff.. >>> >>> Is 44net routable or private? >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve >>>