Re: [44net] directly routed subnets

Good evening, I'm new here -- a quick introduction... Dan W4DSJ, I've been a ham for about a year, but I do remember the days when I "knew" the folks who ran my ISP, and they let me have a lot of fun with my own subnet. All I needed was a route in, and the rest of my "mini-isp" was done on salvaged equipment running Linux and Solaris. It wouldn't push more than 30kbps, but it worked, and... and man was that fun. If I might jump in. Non-profit doesn't mean you have to spend anything. It just means there are no "equity" owners of the corporation. Anything 44-net related could easily qualify a public benefit corporation for 501(c)(3) status, given the purpose of advancing public research, and the non-remuneration built into our FCC license class. Granted, it's been 10 years since I did any 501(c)(3) stuff, but I doubt the qualifications have changed significantly. There's really no limit to the amount of money that can be made, spent, or retained, so long as it is used for the approved purpose... a purpose which is already federally regulated. But wait, there's more! Has anyone proposed that 3rd party routing service could be considered a tax-deductible donation? It would be valued at its fair market equivalent, and I betcha we'd only even use a fraction of what is provisioned. And, hey, it really does support experiments in publically beneficial infrastructure. Just a thought. :) DS Jameyson W4DSJ From: 44net-bounces+dsjameyson=dan247.com(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu [mailto:44net-bounces+dsjameyson=dan247.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Lin Holcomb Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:34 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] directly routed subnets Well since I am the one that stirred the pot on this...let me give my $0.02. I am guessing that some sort of ownership has been asserted by the Non-Profit Brian formed. I would say that leasing the address ranges for some nominal cost to offset the administrative costs of "Amateur Radio Digital Communications". This would serve to support any necessary hardware, software, ect required by ARDC. As a lease the ownership remains with ARDC and could be revoked for violating the terms of the lease. Just like an eviction as well as a period of time. This way people who were assigned addressed 15years ago could not assert ownership. These are not "ham radio frequencies" so the rules are up to the ARDC. Just remember a non-profit does not mean no money it just means you must spend it by the end of the year. Like Richard Stalman says "it is free as in free speech not free as in free beer." Bottom line I just want to seem them used by ham radio operators. How they are used would need to be set in a policy. Lin On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, <k4rjj@comcast.net<mailto:k4rjj@comcast.net>> wrote: Pretty much impossible since it is not subject to Part 97 at all. Only the Gents agreements that it be used for Amateur use only. Using it for something like HSMM-MESH is probably safe since it routes via callsign. Not 100% but then any system is subject to abouse. Ronny Julian K4RJJ ________________________________ From: "Brian Kantor" <Brian@ucsd.edu<mailto:Brian@ucsd.edu>> To: "AMPRNet working group" <44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu<mailto:44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:39:16 PM Subject: Re: [44net] directly routed subnets On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51:43PM +0100, Bjorn Pehrson wrote: Wow. That's the problem, isn't it? How to maintain the network for ham radio use and not waste it. I'd like to see it used for the public good - advancement of technology, public service, that sort of thing. I'd like to require that the netspace hams get is used for ham radio, not sold, nonprofit, free, etc. What else would we require of "clients"? - Brian _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu<mailto:44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu> http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu<mailto:44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu> http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net -- Lin Holcomb Office: +1 404 806 5412 Mobile: +1 404 933 1595 Fax: +1 404 348 4250 <http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net>