Re: [44net] NSP bugging me to use RPKI for my /24 grant

On Jun 2, 2020, at 3:34 PM, Jonathan Lassoff via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: I can sympathize with the sentiment that RPKI and widespread RPKI adoption in its current form will really lock out and disenfranchise smaller network operators. Now, *more than ever*, we need to enable an Internet that any organization (a natural person, a registered entity, a hackerspace, etc.) can connect to, uniquely address itself, and begin exchanging traffic. In order to enable such an open system to function, we also need ways of ensuring that unicast addresses are unique and that there is some public, verifiable way of claiming ownership of IP space. Without this, the entire network is open to disruption and abuse by almost any operator. It's amazing we have gotten so far on the good will of most operators. The RIR model of lawyers, paperwork, and public databases works for a lot of people and organizations. IRR was the first step, but it was complex and a bit clunky to use. I see RPKI for Origin Validation as just the first/next step of extending this model of trust and numbering resource ownership into the routing protocol space more directly. From a technical standpoint, this logical extension of systems makes a lot of sense and I don't have a problem with it. For commercial network operators, a RIR registration is just the cost of doing business. But for many small nonprofits, regional amataur radio/network operators, or individuals, a few thousand dollars/euros a year is a lot of money that makes Internet independence out of reach. They end up having to resort to the hegemony of their local incumbent monopoly and chain themselves to the whims of their upstreams and regulators. I suspect many legacy resource holders find themselves in a similar limbo-state of not wanting to participate in the RIR model and pay money for essentially nothing. Echoing some similar earlier sentiments to want to create a CA for legacy address holders: How feasible would it be to create something RIR-like, but noncommercial? A place for legacy address holders to coordinate and register resources seems like a natural fit. If we're going to operate a database of ROAs, we're going to need some database of address space ownership. For 44net use cases, this seems really straightforward, since we have the Portal to draw from. But for other organizations, it gets a bit more complicated to do properly. Given some random email address/account in some hypothetical legacy RIR, how can we really validate that they're authorized to take actions on behalf of some organization? To take some random examples from the IANA IPv4 list: DISA, USPS, AT&T, Apple, etc. Doing this right is going to take some process, record keeping, and well.... work. With this context, I can see how a lot of RIRs go commercial. However, with a bit of automation, good documentation and records, and some dedicated volunteers, this seems like a really doable/achievable thing in the netops community. I would be curious to know if anyone else shares these views/dreams and would like to chat about it. Stay safe and sane out there. Cheers, jof On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 08:18, Job Snijders via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net