Re: [44net] DN42 for 44net?

Please point to the reference that says compression is encryption. Tim On 12/3/21 11:10 AM, Cliff Sojourner via 44Net wrote: > Unfortunately, compression is  considered a type of encryption so > also a no no over the air.  Apparently, even a common > well-documented type such as ZIP. > > We could run SSL with a NULL cipher  over the air.  Not much gain > from that, though, because the HMAC is made to detect small number > of bit errors, but not at the rates we likely see over the air. And > it is detection only, no correction. > > Cliff K6CLS CM87 > > > On December 3, 2021 10:42:56 AM PST, "Tim Požar via 44Net" > <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: >> There have been two attempts to get the FCC to allow encryption in >> Part >> 97.  RM-11699 in 2013 and RM-11831 in 2019.  Both have been >> dismissed by >> the FCC.  Please read these petitions and you will see that encryption >> is not allowed. >> >> Tim >> >> On 12/3/21 10:32 AM, Dave Gingrich via 44Net wrote: >>> That is referencing phone ops, transmitting music, and coded words >>> to hide meaning. It certainly does not include encryption, using >>> standards based tools, such as SSH or SSL.  I was using those >>> methods over the radio in the 1990s.  IOW, that whole paragraph >>> speaks to the purpose of the transmission, not the traffic it >>> generates. >>> >>> It will be near impossible to establish any type of network today, >>> that does not carry traffic that is not encrypted in some >>> fashion.  If that is a requirement, we'd best just give up and >>> shut off our radios. >>> >>> — >>> Dave K9DC >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:50, Tim Požar <pozar(a)lns.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Please refer to § 97.113(a)(4) Prohibited transmissions... >>>> >>>> (4) [...] messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their >>>> meaning, except as otherwise provided herein [...] >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On 12/3/21 9:45 AM, Dave Gingrich via 44Net wrote: >>>>> Please point out where the "the USA encryption restriction” over >>>>> radio links, is documented. After all, D-Star radios use a >>>>> proprietary codec.  Heck even if you access https://ampr.org/ >>>>> over a radio link, the connection is SSL encrypted, as are >>>>> nearly all web sites in the world. >>>>> Encryption over RF links has not been illegal for years, at >>>>> least in .US. I can’t speak for other jurisdictions. >>>>> — >>>>> Dave K9DC >>>>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:23, air gapped via 44Net >>>>>> <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Something to keep in mind: the USA encryption restriction only >>>>>> applies to traffic going over the air. >>>>>> Networks can and do have encryption as long as relay over air >>>>>> has information in the clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam Lewis >>>>>> KC7GDY >>>>> _________________________________________ >>>>> 44Net mailing list >>>>> 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org >>>>> https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net >>> >>> _________________________________________ >>> 44Net mailing list >>> 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org >>> https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net >>> >> _________________________________________ >> 44Net mailing list >> 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org >> https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net > _________________________________________ > 44Net mailing list > 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org > https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net >