Re: [44net] What is 44net?

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:26 AM, K7VE - John <k7ve(a)k7ve.org> wrote: As others have already mentioned, some ISP's charge extra for VPN traffic. And again, you create bottlenecks placing all your eggs into one basket. This is getting circular. Why does every IP need to be internet accessible directly? Lemme tell you a story: Back in the early days of the 1990's, a Colonel heard about this "Internet" thing and commanded that all of their military machines be placed upon said Internet even though their base had their own network space and communicated to other bases via tunnels and p-t-p links. Back then firewalls were few and far between back then and many machines weren't audited. Didn't matter to said Colonel and thus all the machines were placed onto the Internet. It didn't take long before hackers were able to probe the network and penetrate some machines that weren't meant for public access. Once it was discovered that hackers got into his network, an audit report came out that was as thick as the Manhattan phone book of all the flaws in their network. Let's fast forward this to today: We have network radio hardware that cannot be tightly secured (node and the like), a constant and persistent threat of software vulnerabilities and hacking attempts trying to get more and more machines onto the internet to act as part of botnets or phishing schemes - not to mention regulation and financial burdens. And you want to put every machine on the Internet? It's not that simple. I can, but I've already said I'm a special case. However I don't have any machine directly connected to the internet that is behoven to a single network gateway or provider. What you're asking is for people around the world to connect to your group of routers (which will likely be US based - increasing latency for those outside of north america) just so that they can talk to one another or receive public traffic if they're not able to afford the $1000 or more for AS registration + RIR membership + ISP announcement costs + maintenance costs. Again, I think you are proposing a big mistake and a class system. Because it causes bottlenecks and SPOF's. Unless you can contractually provide me a TOS with 5 9's of reliability under heavy penalties, people are better off being responsible for their own traffic. If you are willing to offer that, then I'll be glad to sign up. Multiple VPN's not connecting to the same gateway causing routing issues. It's one thing to bond to a single gateway endpoint. But routing between two different gateway devices announcing your subnet would cause havoc and alot of inter-router latency as packets get slung between both gateways. Think networks (plural) and not singular net.