Hi there,
I wouldn’t sell anything at any price... at least not yet. Nobody has clear in the
networking scene what should be happening next with the IPv4-to-IPv6 transition and who
should be doing this transition (carriers, telcos and/or end-users). Not having clear if
both IP schemes will coexist for a while, or forever, makes me think we shouldn’t get rid
of any resource that we can use, and can trade with, if necessary, later on.
The person that officially (or not officially) managed to get the 44/8 in the early
Internet times did a quite impressive job, not by filling forms in order to get the
address space assigned to ham radio colective but thinking beyond the box (not only out of
it), doing prospective, venturing a bunch of possible futures to see where we, the hams,
would be using that new thing named "the IPv4 address space" for something quite
new related to, let’s say to resume basics on AX.25, and other future related uses, and
managed to get a today's expensive resource for free, so so. If you’re yet thinking
what we should be doing now in terms of IPv6, OK, no offense but I think you didn't
understand the situation where we currently are. What we should be doing next is that
mental exercise that guy did years ago again of thinking beyond the box, doing prospective
and venturing what and where we want to be in the coming future. By the way, a future we
are not going to live to see in most cases.
I think about this every day, specially when I do play with my daughter and with the
radios I have, with love, at home, and every move I do I'm always considering that we
should do again this movement the sooner the better in order to bring back again some
glory and respect to our community.
The endeavor we are facing isn't an easy task, we all know that, and, just in case
anyone doubts it yet, we lack resources we had in the past. The number of hams decrease
little by little and we are not handling correctly the generational changeover, as it is
evident.
It’s not an easy task neither because (not mostly old) today's purists see ham radio
as only watts, HF and contesting. Again, no offense, I'm just stating a fact. We lack
resources because every year we are less than the year before; our hobby is not of
interest for youngsters if we keep on focussing in our likes and not the theirs. Beside
that fact, we are not managing to get the old ham radio glories to teach everything they
learnt during their entire lives to youngsters that can continue in our hobby what those
glories started from where they almost left it. No offense colleagues, but, Are we doing
anything the right way today? Is that the surfeit that we cannot do anything better than
thinking short-term, again, thinking in our own benefit?
I try to foresee that youngsters’ future and don’t see HF but Microwaves and, why not,
other non-Ionosferic based communications. This for us might seem like a Sci-Fi movie but
for them might be an accurate and realistic version of their today. We should be doing
this effort to plan for them, to get resources for them, to manage to get the necessary
steps in our community to get to where they should be in the future….but today.
What does is means in short? Don’t waste time thinking in short-term and let’s play big
and let’s think long-term. What Research and Development are we aimed to do to become our
community great again? That question is what IARU, ARRL, AMPR, AMSAT and the like should
be working on today. If we cannot manage to get a proper answer in short we are heading to
dissapear in the next generation, where IPv4, IPv6 and the ham radio spectre become
something useless without ham operators.
My 2 cents.
Best regards,
--
Vy73 de EA1HET, Jonathan
El 8 sept 2017, a las 20:41, Steve L
<kb9mwr(a)gmail.com> escribió:
The similarities and differences I see:
The IP allocation like frequencies were granted to us, and we did not
pay for them. They are both regulated as they both are basically
finite resources.
However the present IP allocation unlike frequencies will at some
point in the future become worthless and unuseable to us.
If we were to consider trading a small piece of our network space;
-I am sure Marius' daemon could be modified to black hole the network
pieces we'd potential sell off, thus keeping the network secure to
hams only etc.
-There would be a heck of a lot of work for the ARDC a head of them
acting as stewards of the proceeds etc.
As for the potential proceeds;
-Lobbying. While I despise it in general, I do see our outdated rules
as the biggest/first hurdle.
-I'd say R&D sounds good. However TAPR does theoretically already
provide monetary support to people/groups with potential projects. I
don't really pay attention to the details of these actions so I don't
know how often someone with a good idea goes to TAPR requesting
monetary help though. Still boils down to willing and able R&D
people.
-Scholarships to engineering students. The youth is the future. (And
while I'd love as much as anyone else to see Phil Karn on this list, I
am glad he is still active at this most fundamental level- at least in
a non-monetary level)
-Attempt to obtain some IPv6 space. While I feel we'd likely be in
the same boat as now with it, not being able to route it, if we can
get some space at a decent price (one time fee etc), it might not be a
bad idea. But I have to say I think we can still do a lot without
IPv6 space.
So those are my thoughts
Steve, KB9MWR
Getting this community to agree on anything can be worse than pulling
teeth. ;) So, rather than talking about money or "selling" our valuable
resources, I think it would be helpful if we focused the discussion on what
resources we would consider valuable enough to trade a small piece of our
space for. In the end, we may decide that nothing is worth it, but I think
that this would be the best way to figure it out.
First of all, since we already have a global amateur radio registry for
IPv4 space, I think a large block of IPv6 space would be a worthwhile trade
for a small piece of 44/8. The current version of AMPRnet may not ever
support IPv6, but if it made any sense at all to get us a /8 in the early
80s to support the future of amateur radio innovation, then we should have
done the same for IPv6 well over a decade ago.
Personally, I've always wondered how we missed the boat on getting a
top-level domain name in the early days of DNS. Getting our own TLD makes
a lot of sense since our call signs are already a globally unique namespace
we could use with it. DNS is only meant to make addresses easier to
remember, but by standardizing our namespace in a TLD, we would also have
the advantage of a global directory that makes the services you want to
make public easily discoverable. I can see such a thing becoming very
valuable to our community in the future as amateur radio continues to merge
with the digital world. If we had setup a registry to handle it, that
technical advantage may have granted us a TLD in the early days. But now
that they've changed the rules for TLDs, it would almost certainly require
more resources than a group of hams could manage. However, if the concept
is valuable enough to us, it may be worth taking advantage of an
opportunity to trade a small part of our unused IPv4 space for it.
Cory Johnson, NQ1E
HamWAN Puget Sound
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