8 Jun
2012
8 Jun
'12
10:34 a.m.
Hi Don,
More comments inline below.
On 06/08/2012 03:36 PM, Don Fanning wrote:
No, I would definitely not decline, I would be happy to accept, as
long as it is free for non-commercial use.
So here is the flaw in your logic. These educational and scientific
organizations are not in the business of maintaining physical
circuits. That is left to the Level3's, Vodafone's and Cogent's of
the world. Each of these organizations lease circuits and dark fiber
from them. None of them have laid a single piece of cable from one
country to another (with perhaps the exception being CERN). They are
in the business of Science! Not telecommunications. At some point
you are left with peering on a commercial network broadcasting your
routes.
Either I am unclear or you haven't got it. I would accept free transit
from anyone, but I wouldnt trust anyone else than hams with 44/8
addresses, not even research and education networks.
Free transit does not involve ham resources.
The fiber optic cable that you use to connect your server to your
storage area network is not the same that goes into the ground or in
the air or under the ocean. Each of those applications use different
cable that is much more expensive.
Actually the fiber I am referring to can be used
both underground, with
or without a duct (if you have no termites eating them) and in the air
(preferably above power lines to protect them from people believing it
is copper inside). Submarine cables are a bit more expensive, but over
distances where you can avoid active amplifiers (festoon solutions) less
than ten times more. Transatantic is about 30 times more, typically 1
USD/inch.
Your analogy of using staff/students to string 16km (9 miles) of fiber
while interesting and laudable doesn't apply. We're talking about
1000's of km of long haul DWDM fiber optics and the equipment to boost
the signal at regular distances. Depending on where you are running
it, you have to have equipment to run it through km's of conduit or
across oceans where you have to deal with dragnetters.
Yes, the next phase being
discussed in Somalia is to interconnect the
metropolitan area links. Garowe - Mogadishu is some 2500 km and few
intermediate stops. The idea is to include a free fiber pair for
research and education, and why not ham activities. The main challenge
is not funding but what trustworthy consortium can be formed to own it.
There is an economical tradeoff between deploying more fiber and use
cwdm/dwdm when there is not enough fiber. cwdm is cheap.
If multi-million dollar corporations and cities are
having a hard time
implementing it, what makes you think a group of blowhards wearing
plastic antennas can do it better?
Well, it is often easier to do things that are guaranteed not ever to
become commercial than things that definitely are commercial since
everyone wants a piece of the pie. The main roles of regulators include
to collect tax from the market and support public good aspects. The
groups fall in different categories.
While I completely understand your position and agree with it in some
aspect, the fact is that 44net itself is not a space regulated by the
IARU and other than whatever your country applies to free speech, is
not bound to keeping with non-commercial/non-business rules. It is a
allotment of public network address space. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I am
certainly aware of that 44net is not regulated by IARU, but by
ICANN and that IANA and regional registries may be watching us. I am
under the impression, correct me if I am wrong, that the rules applying
to 44net are very unclear since the allocation is unique and that it
might be better to show good conduct rather than ask or misbehave.
Has anyone asked what rules apply and what was in that case the answer?
/Bjorn