15 Mar
2012
15 Mar
'12
1:47 p.m.
It would be nice to prompt some cooperation, perhaps in a contest form,
to establish intradomain ham radio links towards the original goal of
AMPRnet to establish global intradomain connectivity. Other kind of
contests could be pushing the link reach, bitrate, energy consumption,...
On 2012-03-15 07:18, Bjorn Pehrson wrote:
Te delegations should be time limited and applications
for re-delegation
should perhaps require demonstration of active acceptable use.
One way of demonstrating at least some sort of activity is that the
addresses (or x% of the delegated space) are pingable.
On 2012-03-15 07:09, Bjorn Pehrson wrote:
I think that start charging for it is the wrong
way to go.
Why not just assume that all hams want to maintain the network for ham
radio use and not waste it.
Until the opposite is proven, I believe that all hams would like to
see it used for the public good - advancement
of technology, public service, that sort of thing.
The requirement that the netspace hams get is used for ham radio, not
sold, nonprofit, free, etc. should be the first paragraph in the rule
set. There might be other issues to include in an Acceptable Use
Policy. This policy shpould also include reinforcement procedures and
sanctions.
There should be a section of the rule set about multihoming. I think
this is a good idea but requires some agreements, e.g. intradomain
routing (iBGP)
What else should be included?
Bjorn
On 2012-03-15 06:28, Dan Jameyson wrote:
Good evening,
I'm new here -- a quick introduction... Dan W4DSJ, I've been a ham
for about a year, but I do remember the days when I "knew" the folks
who ran my ISP, and they let me have a lot of fun with my own subnet.
All I needed was a route in, and the rest of my "mini-isp" was done
on salvaged equipment running Linux and Solaris. It wouldn't push
more than 30kbps, but it worked, and... and man was that fun.
If I might jump in. Non-profit doesn’t mean you have to spend
anything. It just means there are no "equity" owners of the
corporation. Anything 44-net related could easily qualify a public
benefit corporation for 501(c)(3) status, given the purpose of
advancing public research, and the non-remuneration built into our
FCC license class. Granted, it's been 10 years since I did any
501(c)(3) stuff, but I doubt the qualifications have changed
significantly. There's really no limit to the amount of money that
can be made, spent, or retained, so long as it is used for the
approved purpose... a purpose which is already federally regulated.
But wait, there's more! Has anyone proposed that 3rd party routing
service could be considered a tax-deductible donation? It would be
valued at its fair market equivalent, and I betcha we'd only even use
a fraction of what is provisioned. And, hey, it really does support
experiments in publically beneficial infrastructure. Just a thought. :)
DS Jameyson
W4DSJ
*From:*44net-bounces+dsjameyson=dan247.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu
[mailto:44net-bounces+dsjameyson=dan247.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu] *On
Behalf Of *Lin Holcomb
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:34 PM
*To:* AMPRNet working group
*Subject:* Re: [44net] directly routed subnets
Well since I am the one that stirred the pot on this...let me give my
$0.02.
I am guessing that some sort of ownership has been asserted by the
Non-Profit Brian formed. I would say that leasing the address ranges
for some nominal cost to offset the administrative costs of "Amateur
Radio Digital Communications". This would serve to support any
necessary hardware, software, ect required by ARDC. As a lease the
ownership remains with ARDC and could be revoked for violating the
terms of the lease. Just like an eviction as well as a period of
time. This way people who were assigned addressed 15years ago could
not assert ownership. These are not "ham radio frequencies" so the
rules are up to the ARDC.
Just remember a non-profit does not mean no money it just means you
must spend it by the end of the year. Like Richard Stalman says "it
is free as in free speech not free as in free beer."
Bottom line I just want to seem them used by ham radio operators. How
they are used would need to be set in a policy.
Lin
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, <k4rjj(a)comcast.net
<mailto:k4rjj@comcast.net>> wrote:
Pretty much impossible since it is not subject to Part 97 at all.
Only the Gents agreements that it be used for Amateur use only. Using
it for something like HSMM-MESH is probably safe since it routes via
callsign. Not 100% but then any system is subject to abouse.
Ronny Julian
K4RJJ
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*From: *"Brian Kantor" <Brian(a)ucsd.edu <mailto:Brian@ucsd.edu>>
*To: *"AMPRNet working group" <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
<mailto:44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:39:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [44net] directly routed subnets
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51:43PM +0100, Bjorn Pehrson wrote:
Why don't you suggest the rules that you
would like to see for
discussion?
Wow. That's the problem, isn't it? How to maintain the network for
ham radio
use and not waste it. I'd like to see it used for the public good -
advancement
of technology, public service, that sort of thing.
I'd like to require that the netspace hams get is used
for ham radio, not sold, nonprofit, free, etc.
What else would we require of "clients"?
- Brian
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