27 Jan
2021
27 Jan
'21
10:12 p.m.
Confirming that ARIN's web-based IRR system won't allow 44net addresses,
since there's no underlying allocation from one of ARIN's ranges. Your
upstream provider will probably not be able to put in the IRR objects for
you.
For IRR, AltDB doesn't have a simple web interface but it does work
regardless of the RIR (or lack of) that originally allocated the IPs.
I don't think there's a way to use RPKI on the 44net range as of yet,
though - that would likely need either a contract for one of the RIRs to
sign resources or ARDC to set up, maintain, and gain trust for a
certificate authority and handle RPKI requests like the RIRs do. Either of
these is a pretty significant undertaking.
73 de K0BYJ,
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Jay
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1. Re: 44NET Route Objects IRR (Caleb Pal)
2. Re: 44NET Route Objects IRR (G1FEF)
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From: Caleb Pal <cleb(a)defcon-3.net>
To: James Colderwood via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:57:53 -0800
Subject: Re: [44net] 44NET Route Objects IRR
Hello,
Your upstream providers may be able to put a proxy obj into the ARIN db
for you. Unfortunately ARIN changed their IRR db in June of this year.
They added a web based IRR service. According to ARIN, the web based
service only allows you to add object for resources you own (your
upstream ISP could not create those proxy objects since they do not own
the 44net resources). If they still use the ARIN email IRR system, they
can add proxy objects, they will just appear as ARIN-NOAUTH in the IRR
db. I don't think NOAUTH is a problem for most providers now, but could
be down the road if they start filtering/ignoring NOAUTH entries.
Of course altdb, radb and others are options (full list at:
http://www.irr.net/docs/list.html). Not sure how other RIR's outside the
US are handling NOAUTH entries.
I assume since AMPR does not have a RSA with ARIN, Chris cannot create
IRR records for those folks who BGP advertise AMPR resources?
v/r,
Caleb
On 12/13/2020 10:08, James Colderwood via 44Net wrote:
Hi Pierre,
Thank you for the heads up. I was aware of altdb but it hadn't crossed
my mind. Hopefully one of these solutions will work :-).
On 2020-12-13 17:32, Pierre Emeriaud wrote:
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From: G1FEF <chris(a)g1fef.co.uk>
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:26:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [44net] 44NET Route Objects IRR
Le dim. 13 déc. 2020 à 12:04, G1FEF via 44Net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> a écrit :
> On 13 Dec 2020, at 09:54, James Colderwood via 44Net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> May I wish you all happy holidays!
>
> Quick question, I'm working on establising my 3rd upstream but hit
a snag. The suppliers validation automation prohibits announcing
AMPR addresses as the system can't qualify validity.
Are you talking about automatically checking entries in an IRR, or
RPKI?
For service providers requesting an IRR route object to automate
filter creation I've been using altdb. While it has not a lot of value
in terms of authorization (anyone can create objects about any
resource - a proper LOA has more value here) it is usually enough for
provisioning tools to create appropriate filters / prefix-lists:
$ whois -h whois.altdb.net 44.151.210.0
route: 44.151.210.0/24
descr: F4INU
origin: AS206155
mnt-by: MAINT-AS206155
$ bgpq3 -4 -l F4INU as206155
no ip prefix-list F4INU
ip prefix-list F4INU permit 44.151.210.0/24
73 de F4INU
--
pierre I assume since AMPR does not have a RSA with
ARIN, Chris cannot create
IRR records for those folks who BGP advertise AMPR resources?
The vast majority of folk advertising their subnet over BGP are using
altdb with no issues (currently).
IIRC, altdb is run by one person, so if you don’t already have a MNTNER
object there, it can sometimes take some time to get one.
Chris
v/r,
Caleb
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Hi Pierre,
Thank you for the heads up. I was aware of altdb but it hadn't crossed
my mind. Hopefully one of these solutions will work :-).
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https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net Le dim. 13 déc. 2020 à 12:04, G1FEF via 44Net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> a écrit :
>
>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 09:54, James Colderwood via 44Net
> <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> May I wish you all happy holidays!
>>
>> Quick question, I'm working on establising my 3rd upstream but hit
> a snag. The suppliers validation automation prohibits announcing
> AMPR addresses as the system can't qualify validity.
>
> Are you talking about automatically checking entries in an IRR, or
> RPKI?
For service providers requesting an IRR route object to automate
filter creation I've been using altdb. While it has not a lot of value
in terms of authorization (anyone can create objects about any
resource - a proper LOA has more value here) it is usually enough for
provisioning tools to create appropriate filters / prefix-lists:
$ whois -h whois.altdb.net 44.151.210.0
route: 44.151.210.0/24
descr: F4INU
origin: AS206155
mnt-by: MAINT-AS206155
$ bgpq3 -4 -l F4INU as206155
no ip prefix-list F4INU
ip prefix-list F4INU permit 44.151.210.0/24
73 de F4INU
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pierre