6 Feb
2021
6 Feb
'21
5:57 p.m.
Thanks Rob, you took the words right out of my mouth - in addition, we have several
isolated networks around the World and the core network will mean these can be connected
together, for example HAMNET in Europe is an “RF First” network in mainland Europe that
has no direct connection to the internet - the core network will enable connecting
networks like this together when there is no RF path possible.
Perhaps we need to stop thinking “AMPRNet” and start thinking “44Net”? In the last few
years there has been a huge increase in other types of use cases for 44Net addresses,
whilst the IPIP Mesh (aka AMPRNet) has remained more or less static. Currently non-AMPRNet
use of 44Net IPs outnumbers AMPRNet use by quite a bit.
We want to encourage research and experimentation, whatever is finally decided by the
newly formed TAC should only enhance and benefit everyone using 44Net, it will not take
anything away. I am hoping that a more modern replacement for the IPIP Mesh (which does
have its issues) will be forthcoming in time, but even if that does happen no-one is
suggesting that you must stop using your current setup if that’s what you prefer.
73,
Chris
On 6 Feb 2021, at 10:37, Rob PE1CHL via 44Net
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That is a misunderstanding about how the proposed new core network is working.
It does NOT preclude the use of individual tunnels between friends, and it does NOT
preclude
the announcement of a private /24 on internet using BGP.
It is a method to facilitate easier connection for those that do not have the luxury
of a static IP and incoming IPIP passing through their ISP router. That is becoming more
and more
common, and a solution is required not to lock out those that cannot have a suitable
internet
connection. Even VPS offerings from major providers all over the world no longer are
capable
of participating in the IPIP tunnel mesh directly, as their "control panel
firewall" only allows
TCP and UDP ports to be opened incoming (replies on outgoing traffic are usually
allowed).
Furthermore, the new core network allows people all over the world to have connection
with
internet when they want that, with round-trip times and packet loss rates that are usable
for
applications like voice protocols (VoIP, D-Star, DMR, Fusion etc), without being FORCED
to do
a BGP announcement for that. It is more or less a standardization of service already
offered
in some places of the world (e.g. here in the Netherlands) so that everyone can use that
kind
of connection, not just those that happen to live in an area where this is already
deployed.
But when someone wants to do it "the old way", they still can do that.
Rob
On 2/6/21 4:09 AM, Boudewijn (Bob) Tenty via 44Net wrote:
You act or it is already decided. There are also
clearly disadvantages of what some have proposed and I don't
talk about backups of ucsd to Internet, what is good. No, it is that it makes amprnet
gateways more (or totally) dependent on
other core (ARDC) routers to route to other amprnet gateways over Internet. It
doesn't make it less dependent,
it adds another layer on top of that. Presently, I'm more or less independent with my
individual tunnels (and I care
less that they are using ipip or another protocol) or when I should be running bgp.
Instead that the risk is spread,
it will be more concentrated with these proposals what I have read here and at the 44NGN
list. This all to make
it more easier? I'm already providing a lot of these services.
Bob VE3TOK
On 2021-02-05 09:59, Rob PE1CHL via 44Net wrote:
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be deployed "soon" so that indivuduals have no need to route
a subnet via BGP just to get short roundtriptime to internet. It will make it much
easier to be connected
to AMPRnet and internet without having to know and handle all that BGP related
information.
Rob
On 2/5/21 3:38 PM, Angelo via 44Net wrote:
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