First of all I'm not "voting" for reclaiming address space for "real" use. I am far from that. Companies do have money to either buy some spaces from other companies or invest in migrating to IPv6 which will be even better.
But there are some countries (like Poland) where IPv6 is a dream. I've been poking my ISP about IPv6 once or twice a year *when* there will be IPv6 because 5 years ago I signed a contract only because they told me that they will have IPv6 in less than a year.
In our hackerspace we have enough bandwidth and power to run a small colocation for people - Raspberry Pis, whatever. We can provide them with a IPv6 addresses but this will be useless for them because in their homes they don't have IPv6 and they won't have for a long time.
We will provide them with a IPv4 by becoming a LIR together with one other hackerspace but it will cost us money that could (and should) be spent on new or better equipment.
What's more - because of the limited amount of money we often buy an old networking equipment that supports only IPv4. So we will have to keep the dual stack for a long time.
I'm currently doing an internship in a major technological company and even they have to support dualstack in a various places despite having majority of the network migrated to IPv6 only. I know that this is not perfect but this is what it is and it won't change soon whether we like it or not.
Ian McLaughlin wrote:
As the owner of a data centre as my day job, it bothers me to see people talk about all of the ‘wasted’ IPv4 space that should be reclaimed. Spend some time and look at historical allocation rates. Even if we were able to reclaim the entire 44 block for ‘real’ use, it would delay the inevitable by months at the most.
We have run out of IPv4. No amount of draconian policies will change this fact. Things like NAT helped for a while. Next, we’re going to get carrier-grade NAT so most clients will get RFC1918 space (and, quite frankly, 95% of them won’t even notice as long as they can still get to Facebook on their phones).
The only solution to IPv4 running out is more widespread adoption of IPv6.
You want to help the maker community with address space? Help them adopt IPv6. The maker movement and IoT will need orders of magnitude more addresses than IPv4 is ever going to give them.
Ian
On Sep 3, 2017, at 7:20 AM, Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu wrote:
You are far from the first person to make these points. The Board of Directors is acutely aware of how valuable our address space is and is actively considering how best to expand our mission to make better use of it. But we have to move slowly; IP address space is very much like virginity in that once you lose it, you can never get it back, so we must be very careful. Thank you for your input.
- Brian
On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 07:06:38AM -0700, pidpawel wrote:
It's important to be aware of the timeline but this anniversary might also be a good time to look back at the history and think about the impact this assignment has made.
What *new* technologies has been developed because of this network? Which crises have been mitigated using this network? Have it helped to spread the HAM radio "spirit" to the young people? What other good things have this network done?
It's very sad for me to say that the only thing I can see about this network is a bunch of guys trying to stick with old technology (RIP? please.) at all cost and arguing who is more important in a tree of people allocating numbers.
A /8 network is a great value nowadays, the IPv4 especially in Europe is in a huge crisis and getting new addresses is nearly impossible. From the other hand most of the address space in this network is unused but when you try to request allocation for yourself you can easily get rejected because of silly reasons. (I didn't even try to request one for myself after my friends showed me the coordinator responses.)
There might be some things going on the used parts of the network but I couldn't find any example that could be genuinely useful to the world.
Could you please prove me wrong or if I'm right try to consider sharing the address space with a "new" movement of hacking and hackerspaces? HAM radio should be all about hacking [1] but frankly speaking I don't see much of it in HAM radio space these days. There are some exceptions - i.e. "OFDM modem" thread from the last days but there are as rare as freakin' unicorns.
This message is not meant to be mean. I'm just trying to pinpoint some things I've seen as an observer of this network and HAM radio (mostly in Poland but also the "worldwide" parts) and share some ideas how the things can be done better and provide a better value to the whole world.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_culture
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