3 Sep
2017
3 Sep
'17
11:34 a.m.
First of all I'm not "voting" for reclaiming address space for
"real"
use. I am far from that. Companies do have money to either buy some
spaces from other companies or invest in migrating to IPv6 which will be
even better.
But there are some countries (like Poland) where IPv6 is a dream. I've
been poking my ISP about IPv6 once or twice a year *when* there will be
IPv6 because 5 years ago I signed a contract only because they told me
that they will have IPv6 in less than a year.
In our hackerspace we have enough bandwidth and power to run a small
colocation for people - Raspberry Pis, whatever. We can provide them
with a IPv6 addresses but this will be useless for them because in their
homes they don't have IPv6 and they won't have for a long time.
We will provide them with a IPv4 by becoming a LIR together with one
other hackerspace but it will cost us money that could (and should) be
spent on new or better equipment.
What's more - because of the limited amount of money we often buy an old
networking equipment that supports only IPv4. So we will have to keep
the dual stack for a long time.
I'm currently doing an internship in a major technological company and
even they have to support dualstack in a various places despite having
majority of the network migrated to IPv6 only. I know that this is not
perfect but this is what it is and it won't change soon whether we like
it or not.
Ian McLaughlin wrote:
> As the owner of a data centre as my day job, it bothers me to see people talk about
all of the ‘wasted’ IPv4 space that should be reclaimed. Spend some time and look at
historical allocation rates. Even if we were able to reclaim the entire 44 block for
‘real’ use, it would delay the inevitable by months at the most.
>
> We have run out of IPv4. No amount of draconian policies will change this fact.
Things like NAT helped for a while. Next, we’re going to get carrier-grade NAT so most
clients will get RFC1918 space (and, quite frankly, 95% of them won’t even notice as long
as they can still get to Facebook on their phones).
>
> The only solution to IPv4 running out is more widespread adoption of IPv6.
>
> You want to help the maker community with address space? Help them adopt IPv6. The
maker movement and IoT will need orders of magnitude more addresses than IPv4 is ever
going to give them.
>
> Ian
>
>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 7:20 AM, Brian Kantor <Brian(a)UCSD.Edu> wrote:
>>
>> You are far from the first person to make these points. The Board
>> of Directors is acutely aware of how valuable our address space is
>> and is actively considering how best to expand our mission to make
>> better use of it. But we have to move slowly; IP address space is
>> very much like virginity in that once you lose it, you can never
>> get it back, so we must be very careful. Thank you for your input.
>> - Brian
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 07:06:38AM -0700, pidpawel wrote:
>>> It's important to be aware of the timeline but this anniversary might
>>> also be a good time to look back at the history and think about the
>>> impact this assignment has made.
>>>
>>> What *new* technologies has been developed because of this network?
>>> Which crises have been mitigated using this network? Have it helped to
>>> spread the HAM radio "spirit" to the young people? What other good
>>> things have this network done?
>>>
>>> It's very sad for me to say that the only thing I can see about this
>>> network is a bunch of guys trying to stick with old technology (RIP?
>>> please.) at all cost and arguing who is more important in a tree of
>>> people allocating numbers.
>>>
>>> A /8 network is a great value nowadays, the IPv4 especially in Europe is
>>> in a huge crisis and getting new addresses is nearly impossible. From
>>> the other hand most of the address space in this network is unused but
>>> when you try to request allocation for yourself you can easily get
>>> rejected because of silly reasons. (I didn't even try to request one for
>>> myself after my friends showed me the coordinator responses.)
>>>
>>> There might be some things going on the used parts of the network but I
>>> couldn't find any example that could be genuinely useful to the world.
>>>
>>> Could you please prove me wrong or if I'm right try to consider sharing
>>> the address space with a "new" movement of hacking and
hackerspaces? HAM
>>> radio should be all about hacking [1] but frankly speaking I don't see
>>> much of it in HAM radio space these days. There are some exceptions -
>>> i.e. "OFDM modem" thread from the last days but there are as rare
as
>>> freakin' unicorns.
>>>
>>> This message is not meant to be mean. I'm just trying to pinpoint some
>>> things I've seen as an observer of this network and HAM radio (mostly in
>>> Poland but also the "worldwide" parts) and share some ideas how
the
>>> things can be done better and provide a better value to the whole world.
>>>
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_culture
>>>
>>> --
>>> I wish you all the best
>>> SQ9PID
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