oups typo.
there is no provision in the FCC law for ham radio that deal with something that is Over
The Air.
should have been read as
there is no provision in the FCC law for ham radio that deal with something that is NOT
Over The Air.
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Speaking for myself,
Encoding cannot be seen as encryption in any way. There are many ways of encoding a
messsage. And there is many type of message that can only be sent by encoding.
You cannot send an image without first encoding it in tone.
You cannot send a numerical value without sending it as a tone scheme that can be decoded
by a circuit.
You cannot send a text without encoding either by voice (transforming
letters/words/numbers to sounds) or by a digital mode ( morse being a digital mode)
You cannot send digitaly compressed voice without encoding it in a way to send digital
information.
All of those action are accepted by the FCC.
Encryption is making sure no one but the intended receipient of a message that have a
method of removing the encryption of the message can receive it properly.
If everyone can remove the encryption, it is in fact non encrypted.
Microsoft use that as their explanation of encryption.
What exactly are encryption?
Encryption is the process of translating plain text data (plaintext) into something that
appears to be random and meaningless (ciphertext). ... A symmetric key is used during both
the encryption and decryption processes. To decrypt a particular piece of ciphertext, the
key that was used to encrypt the data must be used.
Morse is a way to send plain text data into something meaninless for anyone that does not
know the code ( the key) .
Using a language that no one know is a form of encryption. But from what I do know of the
FCC law, someone only need to ID in english to be ok while talking in any other language.
And at last, there is no provision in the FCC law for ham radio that deal with something
that is Over The Air. (OTA) Also, If we follow all the rules for the ISM band for
transmitting our data, being ham radio stuff or anything else, the FCC cannot do much
stuff.
Yeah some will say, but it that case it is not ham radio. Simply put, You are right. But
we use the airwaves that are both assigned to the ISM and Ham band. So we use our bands.
Pierre
VE2PF
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DStar is not a good example for your point. AMBE codec was patent encumbered for many
years, not completely documented, so technically unable to be easily decoded.
I'm aware of one open source implementation of it, don't know if it is used at
all, or how well it works.
Remember, PSK31 was not allowed by the FCC, until an open source implementation became
commonly available. They key was documenting Vari-code. It's not difficult, or
tricky, it is just a Huffman encoding such as used by Morse Code! So the PSK31 experience
is the model for getting acceptance of a not-human-readable mode on amateur frequencies.
Pactor 4 is in that situation now. Proprietary codec, patent encumbered, not publicly
documented... So should not be allowed on amateur frequencies; Commercial frequencies,
ok.
I'm not sure about VARA, anyone know?
On December 3, 2021 9:58:23 AM PST, KUN LIN via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
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Encoding is not encryption. You could decode D-STAR if
you have the chip and everyone is free to decode the conversation.
Kun
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Please point out where the "the USA encryption restriction” over radio links, is
documented. After all, D-Star radios use a proprietary codec. Heck even if you access
https://ampr.org/ over a radio link, the connection is SSL encrypted, as are nearly all
web sites in the world.
Encryption over RF links has not been illegal for years, at least in .US. I can’t speak
for other jurisdictions.
—
Dave K9DC
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Something to keep in mind: the USA encryption restriction only applies to traffic going
over the air.
Networks can and do have encryption as long as relay over air has information in the
clear.
Adam Lewis
KC7GDY
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