Re: [44net] Is there raceroutre machine on 44 net available for public ?

Totally agree with you Ronen. Our AMPRNET should be designed and work as Internet, on waves. Tunneling should be considered As a work around of lack of radio link. Why do we need to steel use IPIP ? Can't we try to test other routing schemes ? Regards F1SCA -----Message d'origine----- De : 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+f1sca=numericable.fr@hamradio.ucsd.edu] De la part de R P Envoyé : mercredi 9 mars 2016 08:28 À : AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> Objet : Re: [44net] Is there raceroutre machine on 44 net available for public ? (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ When I now start to re alive our amprnet the main goal was to treat the network as a Backup for "other Networks" for emergencies as example (and because of it i plan to make a backbone high speed country wide Wifi Based in order not to be depended on any wire connection) I looked on the AMPRNET network as a "HF network" and then i discovered that the network not act as a real mesh ... I can not connect from my ampr net to certain ampr nets Now lets take a case that the hams community in Thailand have a disaster and we (the rest of the ham community ) want to help them ... but unfortunately we have no contact to their network ... and why ? because we use "old technologies" like ENCAP TABLE or even worse because the Gateway operator didnt put the whole encap table in his gateway (from his own reasons) All over the world the Governments (but not only them) looked on the ham radios as peoples that in communication disaster can make contact with their radios , unfortunately i can not say it on the amprnet even in non disaster situations Currently the only advantage of the AMPRNET as i see it is the big address space we have that we can transfer on a single IP that are transparent and can be accessed from the outside world but thats not what i would like to see the AMPRNET I would like to see it be able to be connected like Net/Rom can do or Like OSPF or any other "smart routing protocols" then I know that in a "real situation" i will be able to gain access any part of the AMPR network because the Network itself take care of its connectivity and as long as the specific network have any kind of connection to the outside world (RF or Wire) the network will be able to reach it I know we can do it we have in our community the world best experts in their field and a huge knowledge and good willing Im willing to help as needed in any subject that i can .... Best Regards Ronen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org ________________________________________ From: 44Net <44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Leon D. Zetekoff <wa4zlw(a)backwoodswireless.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 4:08 PM To: 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [44net] Is there raceroutre machine on 44 net available for public ? (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ . We are still in the 1990s network wise and we need to jump the shark and get into this century. _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net