23 Jul
2019
23 Jul
'19
12:53 a.m.
On 23.07.2019 00:00, Brian via 44Net wrote:
Nope. It is a fact.
RPi is a complication. I learned through years that in 44net community
there will never be understanding about that.
And I also learned that we will never see significant expansion of 44net
use.
That is not solution. That is just more complication.
As long as 44net is inaccessible using plain, standard factory routers
and standard protocols, it will not be expanding.
I understand a principle, and I understand motivation but, c'mon. RPi is
not solution. It is part of a problem.
Whole IT world uses standard devices and standard protocols, and it
works. Why should anyone spend time, efforts and money to invent new
protocol that does the same jsut a bit different and which would bnever
become standard outside 44net?
After all, with BGP we have problem only that we cannot easily use
public but have to use private ASNs - which is wrong way of doing it.
Al we need is another "instance" of BGP that would allow freely using
new set of ASNs. So, why inventing new protocol, just alter existing one
so you can run at lest two independent BGP layers on single machine.
But that would be custom protocol, non standard, not available anywhere
except on custom set hardware.
And again, that is repellent for people. If we want people to join in,
it must be simple and standard way using standard hardware and software.
Anything that requires installing linux and setting up custom machine
and administer would simply keep people away from 44net as it already does.
Please notice that I do not speak about concrete solutions. I am talking
about principles. When we adopt principles we could talk how to
implement them. You simply have to see big picture to be able to work on
details.
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Well, the best
step would be to make connecting easier, meaning,
anything but IPIP.
That seems to be the vocal preference no? Until there is
simple option to connect using plain, stardard and
widespread equipment, there will be no significant expansion.
Many hams are using RPi units as 'routers' now, and this allows for
greater flexibility. We already
have problem with IPIP that requires very odd configurations.
Inventing new protocol that would not be supported in any existing
routers is nonsense.
If an RPi is used it'd be quite simple actually. Also some routers allow
for you to place a daemon in them as well and run it, most of them are
linux based. We need the
very opposite - to use protocols that are wide spread and
available in almost every device.
We as a community have developed protocols in the past that are in use
today. Why couldn't we come up with something such as AGP (Amprnet
Gateway Protocol for example) that could pass through most ISP filters
on a device such as a Pi. We could then keep our "ASN" number as our
callsign-ssid to identify who we are and keep it from propagating to the
global internet and only for our own usage.