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routable or private?
by Steve Wright 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

> If this is, " a hack to backbone a semi-private network on top of the > public internet" then why do we need 44/8? Please explain why 10/8 would > not work just as well? > >[....] if it's not going to be routable then why do we need 44/8? use > RFC1918 space and give 44/8 back. [...] We could attract many > into this hobby if we'd simply offer to be the teachers of the IP > networking craft using standards based methods used by everyone else across > the internet. > PRECISELY. Can we please make a decision on this and move ahead? I'd like to know, one way or the other, because I sure aint interested in all this private 44net stuff.. Is 44net routable or private? Steve

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 80
by Steve Wright 22 Apr '14

22 Apr '14

> http://www.ampr.org/pubs.html > > http://www.ampr.org/faq.html > > I don't see what's missing. Build a Ham RF IP network. Hook if up > to the 44net community if desired. A very select few would need to > go the next step and get their own BGP ISP setup. If anything, that's > mentioned too much on the website and should be de-emphasized. > What's missing is, it's not in the wiki so people can find it. Edit, annotate, and add it to the wiki please. Thank you. Steve

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Re: [44net] New Wiki Page - Services
by sp2lob＠tlen 22 Apr '14

22 Apr '14

Neil et al, Yes, it is active. I use it very often. Best regards. Tom - sp2lob

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Directly connect 44nets
by Steve Wright 21 Apr '14

21 Apr '14

Wow a big flow of good information, and instant updates to the wiki! Well this is the problem isn't - noobs causing problems broadcasting the wrong information on the Internet and getting blocked by their ISP. We seriously need a properly written checklist, so that ordinary ham radio 'engineers' can actually build this stuff themselves. Approaching my ISP with some half-baked idea would be a quick way to get permanently ignored. -- Meshnetworks - Rangitaiki Plains Rural Broadband Internet Providers +64 21 040 5067

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 78
by Steve Wright 21 Apr '14

21 Apr '14

> my thought is we need > more people working on finishing the portal first. What exactly is that going to DO? Here I am sitting on my hands trying to figure out how to get my (already allocated MONTHS AGO) /24 connected to the flamin internet. No one seems focussed on making a wiki entry about THAT. Rather, they'd be happier tunneling their little private network to someone elses'. It seems that many other groups have been waiting YEARS for this assistance or documentation, and MANY other groups who have just given up in disgust. Would the people who ACTUALLY HAVE a properly connected (live to the internet) 44 subnet that they openly brag about, kindly document the bloody thing in the wiki so I can do it as well? This isn't a dick measuring group, its a networking group. You know what you're doing, so write it up so mere mortals can achieve a positive result as well. There needs to be a sample equipment list with DIY workarounds for those with time but not money, and there needs to be a VERY well written document-set to hand to my ISP so I don't scare them into just plain refusing my request, or unduly taxing their tech team. Thank you.

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Re: [44net] how to announce directly (Was 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 78)
by Bryan Fields 21 Apr '14

21 Apr '14

On 4/20/14, 7:27 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: > I've summarized Eric's explanation and added an entry to the wiki. > > http://wiki.ampr.org/index.php/Announcing_your_allocation_directly +1. I think the point is if you have to ask how to connect (announce) your /24 to the internet you probably shouldn't be doing it on your own, your ISP needs to do it for you. Perhaps a overview of internet routing process is needed, as I want the 44/net to be a place to learn, but we need to ensure people understand what they are doing before messing with the global table. This is quite simple, but the LoA (letter of authority) and required information can be daunting to those who've never done it before. Also, if you're on the digest version, can you change the subject of your reply? I've been ignoring this thread since I didn't feel like reading it all at once. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] how to announce directly (Was 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 78)
by Bryan Fields 21 Apr '14

21 Apr '14

On 4/20/14, 9:24 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: > and do my part > for keeping the global BGP routing table from expanding faster I disagree, I work for a company that sells routers. :D -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 78
by Tim Osburn 20 Apr '14

20 Apr '14

Steve, Part of the request for 44-IP space from Brian for the intent to advertise it on the Internet is a ISP who is already willing and offered to do this. If this hasn't already been done the IP space you have may not have Brian's approval for that type of use. (But rather used for just IP-in-IP tunnel service) So before you go down that path you may want to check with him first. Once that is completed and you have a LoA (Letter of Authority) from Brian stating you have his approval to advertise this space on the Internet you should be able to do the following. (Some ISP's ask for a LoA, and most should ask). Also note the other requirements that one agrees too: http://www.ampr.org/tos.txt 1) Once you've already discussed this with yoru ISP and they are willing to do this, let the ISP know the IP space and send them the LoA. They will need this so that they can setup the required configs, notify their upstreams, and setup routing of that block to your router. This could take a couple of days, and unless they are HAM friendly (this really helps) or you also purchase a lot of services form them, I would have to guess they may charge for this service. 2) Have your ISP advertise the 44 space assigned to you using their existing BGP ASN and then have them route you your 44 block to your router. 3) This is probably why no one has written this because each person setup will be different depending on how you will use the space. But for yours (with not having any details at all) I will assume you have a router that connects to your ISP with three interfaces. One interface will connect to your ISP and that interface will have a external public routable IP, one interface will point to your internal network with perhaps a 192.168.0.1/24 IP running NAT on that interface. The 3rd interface will be a DMZ network where the 44-net addresses will live. Perhaps a switch plugs into this interface and a different switch plugs into your Internet NAT interface. (don't mix the two within the same logical network/switch/vlan). NOTE: This is only one very simplified example. https://www.osburn.com/ampr_network-140420-1.0.0-example_network.jpg Tim Osburn www.osburn.com W7RSZ On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, Steve Wright wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 09:22:02 +1200 > From: Steve Wright <stevewrightnz(a)gmail.com> > Reply-To: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > To: 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu > Subject: Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 78 > > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) > _______________________________________________ >> my thought is we need >> more people working on finishing the portal first. > > What exactly is that going to DO? > > Here I am sitting on my hands trying to figure out how to get my (already > allocated MONTHS AGO) /24 connected to the flamin internet. No one seems > focussed on making a wiki entry about THAT. Rather, they'd be happier > tunneling their little private network to someone elses'. It seems that > many other groups have been waiting YEARS for this assistance or > documentation, and MANY other groups who have just given up in disgust. > > Would the people who ACTUALLY HAVE a properly connected (live to the > internet) 44 subnet that they openly brag about, kindly document the bloody > thing in the wiki so I can do it as well? This isn't a dick measuring > group, its a networking group. You know what you're doing, so write it up > so mere mortals can achieve a positive result as well. > > There needs to be a sample equipment list with DIY workarounds for those > with time but not money, and there needs to be a VERY well written > document-set to hand to my ISP so I don't scare them into just plain > refusing my request, or unduly taxing their tech team. > > Thank you. >

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Re: [44net] Test New Tool - APRS Code Recovery
by kb9mwr＠gmail.com 20 Apr '14

20 Apr '14

It appears to work. You mentioned you weren't intending to provide access to the code, but how about the code that looks at the source IP / password requirement part? I'm one of those guys who still hasn't fully wrapped their head around PHP yet, so I'd like to see how you did that part. On that topic, maybe we should have a place/repository on the amprnet to put ham specific software. A while back I posted a link to a web based rig control application I was running. It uses hamlib for backend and php for a front end. Here is more info: http://kb9mwr.blogspot.com/2013/04/raspberry-pi-web-based-rig-control.html As for the ARDC director position discussions, my thought is we need more people working on finishing the portal first. I am sure Chris would appreciate that.

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 77
by Steve Wright 19 Apr '14

19 Apr '14

> > The IP space is owned by > > > > Amateur Radio Digital Communications > > > > per the whois. > > > > ARIN requires a legal entity to exist in order to receive the IP space. > Actually it doesn't sound like it's "owned" by ardc at all. Why do you state this to be so? Your mention of your lawyers smacks of stand over tactics. > 1. Minor: That everyone include his/her callsign as part of the > message, either in the "From" line (my preference) or in the signature. > 2. Major: That messages with a subject line that includes the name of a > digest, be blocked/rejected. This is not to be cruel or mean, but > to insure that others (like me) actually read the message. I doubt > that I'm the only one that refuses to read messages with a subject > line that is a digest name. No. No one is interested in your extra rules. Think up something actually useful and interesting, and contribute that.

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