oh yes, have tun0 working fine and I'm getting the ripv2 broadcasts just fine on it(FINALLY!), then I've created a userspace tun1 for jnos to use to talk to the linux stack using tuncreate (create a tun device WITHOUT root permissions), and jnos is talking fine thru it...so now I have a couple of axip links working, the odd thing is, some links are working, some are not, and from the linux console 44-net isn't working (yet) but from jnos 44-net (at least some of it) IS working another odd thing is terribly slow domain lookups from jnos, but domain lookups from linux itself are working fine, ha... still working on it.. Cheers, John