9 Jun
2012
9 Jun
'12
12:19 a.m.
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Bjorn Pehrson <bpehrson(a)kth.se> wrote:
No, I would definitely not decline, I would be happy to accept, as long
I don't think anyone here has ever brought up or would be willing to let
non-ham related traffic over the RF networks. Addressing isn't the issue.
Routing and peering is.
as it is free for non-commercial use.
So here is the flaw in your logic. These educational and scientific
organizations are not in the business of maintaining physical circuits.
That is left to the Level3's, Vodafone's and Cogent's of the world. Each
of these organizations lease circuits and dark fiber from them. None of
them have laid a single piece of cable from one country to another (with
perhaps the exception being CERN). They are in the business of Science!
Not telecommunications. At some point you are left with peering on a
commercial network broadcasting your routes.
Either I am unclear or you haven't got it. I would accept free transit
from anyone, but I wouldnt trust anyone else than hams with 44/8 addresses,
not even research and education networks.
Free transit does not involve ham resources.
If multi-million dollar corporations and cities are
having a hard time
implementing it, what makes you think a group of blowhards wearing plastic
antennas can do it better?
Well, it is often easier to do things that are guaranteed not ever to
become commercial than things that definitely are commercial since everyone
wants a piece of the pie.
Since when is it detrimental to make money? I'd much pay a little and have
a high Quality of Service than beg and plead for free bandwidth that can be
taken away easily. If it lends to the adage "when all else fails - amateur
radio" then maybe it's worth putting in a couple of coins. Amateur Radio
has and will very likely always will be a service without compensation.
But there is no reason to take it to the extreme of anti-capitalism.
While I completely understand your position and agree
with it in some
aspect, the fact is that 44net itself is not a space regulated by the IARU
and other than whatever your country applies to free speech, is not bound
to keeping with non-commercial/non-business rules. It is a allotment of
public network address space. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I am certainly aware of that 44net is not regulated by IARU, but by ICANN
and that IANA and regional registries may be watching us. I am under the
impression, correct me if I am wrong, that the rules applying to 44net are
very unclear since the allocation is unique and that it might be better to
show good conduct rather than ask or misbehave.
The rules to 44net are no different than the rules that apply to
ARIN/RIPE/AFRIN/DoD/IBM/MERIT or any other subnet holder. You have to meet
a certain level of technical standards for compatibility (RFC).
Whether or not anyone will talk to you is entirely based on what kind of
network neighbor you are.