I keep hearing complaints that we should "get away from using IP-IP tunnels and just route the 44-net address space using BGP".
Can someone explain what this means and how this would be done ?
- Be sure read up on BCP38 http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38 to understand why your local ISP won't (and shouldn't) let you source traffic from IP addresses other than theirs
- Explain how you would justify and obtain stable funding to get (and keep) an ASN for the 44-net address space ($500 initial, $100/yr maintenance from ARIN). An ASN is necessary for multi-homing and BGP routing.
- Explain to me what financial incentive a commercial ISP has to routing (or peering with) 44-net address space for a small number of customers.
- As for using VPN's, explain how to pay for and maintain the appropriate size server(s) to host CPU-intensive VPN (IPSec and GRE) end-points.
After understanding all the nuances of 44-net, I find that the mesh of IP-IP tunnels and the rip44d daemon are actually quite an elegant solution to the limitations and constraints we have to work with.
-Neil
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On 3/22/14, 11:14 AM, Geoff Joy wrote:
What I see above from both of you is "this is a mess, someone needs to clean it up, but that someone isn't going to be me". I must boldly state that if you have the time to discern a problem and criticize a state of affairs, you have the time to take ownership of that problem and fix it.
+1
I've said there are numerous things I don't care for with the way 44net is used and deployed (not a personal attack :). I've also mentioned I don't have the time to write up proposals and do stuff to change it. As such I'm not going to bitch about it (or at least try not to).
I'd be happy to start a working group if I have some help, but between my day job, building a simulcast repeater system, and doing the paperwork to get our repeater group to to be 501c3 non-profit I just don't have the time to do it all myself. I for one would like to get away from the IPIP encap, and get more distributed interconnects to the internet for 44/8.
73's
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