9 Nov
2018
9 Nov
'18
11:32 a.m.
I should clarify why they are worthless... $300 million to Amazon or
Google is nothing... Amazon will loose more than that in shipping this
holiday season. They would clearly be the only viable buyers of such a
chunk of space. They don't need it, and would only take it so someone
else doesn't... not really community (HAM) like... it would be for pure
profit.. Besos doesn't need any more money...I pay him enough with my Prime
membership and all my purchases..
Mike
KE0HFH
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 9:21 AM Mike Vespoli <mvespoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Addresses are both valuable and worthless. They have a incalculable
> value to the AMPR community. 95% or more of the users of this group will
> never get a chance to actually have a chance to get access to a block of
> public addresses to play with and learn. Sure selling access to the IP
> addresses (there would not be a way to lease properly Amazon or Googe would
> NEVER give them back, and ultimately lawyer up and stop paying the group.)
> Plus wouldn't that invalidate the charter or this whole thing were it is to
> be used for non-commercial purposes??? I would say if we open that box it
> will start the clock to where we loose this whole thing.
>
> I say leave it as is... This is just like RF spectrum. we are granted
> use of our little slice and would never think of giving that up... Why
> would we think of doing the same here.
>
> Also. Anyone who wants server space or a place to land thier addresses I
> have plenty of free space available (physical and virtual) in my Denver
> Data Center.... Only for AMPR/Hams.... Just message me and we can work
> something out..
>
> Mike Vespoli
> KE0HFH
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:48 AM Lin Holcomb <LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What I am getting at is this is millions of dollars worth of IP real
>> estate. There are no rules defining how it is to be used other than self
>> imposed rules.
>> As the market seems to be at a peek I think it is worth discussion to
>> lease
>> addresses to some major player like Google or Amazon in exchange for POP
>> access, funding of an endowment for future research, hardware, ect. What
>> is the value of lets say 2 million contiguous addresses on the open
>> market?
>>
>> Lin N4YCI
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:32 AM Mark Phillips <g7ltt(a)g7ltt.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the
space"
>> >
>> > This has been happening for quite some time. When I first arrived in
>> > America some 20 years ago to work for NASDAQ I discovered that their
>> test
>> > network was using the 44/8 series of IP's. I flagged this up at the
>> time o
>> > this list. Luckily for us they are using it as a private point to point
>> > network.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> > G7LTT/NI2O
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:58 AM Lin Holcomb <
>> LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the space.
>> > This
>> > > has already occurred on a small scale. It takes money to defend
>> patents
>> > it
>> > > talks money to operate 16m addresses.
>> > >
>> > > I was just suggesting lease a few blocks to have income to further the
>> > use
>> > > by hams, provide capital to provide low cost pops and have additional
>> > > access points in the event the deal at UCSD ever goes away. Do this
>> while
>> > > the price is high to form an endowment to run the technology in the
>> > future.
>> > > Lin
>> > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 6:10 AM Tony Ellis
<tonyellis3.te(a)gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > IPv6 is already here. My mobile phone is dual stack, IPv4 and
>> IPv6, it
>> > > > will continue to grow and like everything, it is just a matter of
>> time.
>> > > > Some of my ISP's are dual stacked, etc. Will IPv4 go away, my
best
>> > guess
>> > > > is 2090....???
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM Neil Johnson <
>> neil.johnson(a)erudicon.com
>> > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18407173
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Note: I'm NOT advocating anything like that for
44.0.0.0/8.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It's just going to be fun to watch the market for IPv4
address
>> space
>> > > boom
>> > > > > and then bust when IPv6 adoption finally reaches critical
mass.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Neil, N0SFH
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Neil Johnson
>> > > > >