25 Jul
2013
25 Jul
'13
6:22 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:29 AM, PE1RDW <pe1rdw(a)amsat.org> wrote:
You are contradicting a litle, if they are close
enough for 2m/70cm then
they are close enough for mobile phone internet, if it is a dx-pedition or
remote farm they won't be in vhf and uhf range in the first place and 500
euro investment and 50 euro monthly fee is low compared to the other costs
and even if it is just one time then can just rent it for 70 to 100 euro
per month all in, that is only twice what you would pay for a qualety adsl
connection.
maybe we should start to ask if getting wide use of AMPR is the goal we
are after, anything we can do on AMPR and packet we can do better on
internet, afterall we are discussing this on an internet mailinglist and
not on the packet network, I think one of the most active discusions on
packet network is on sysop@ww about the misrouting by other sysops, that
makes me conclude that only sysops are using the network just like only
gateways and lap sysops use the AMPR net.
This is not realy a bad thing, just a realisation that we do what we do
for ourselfs.
73 Andre PE1RDW
Andre and all,
NETROM BARONS and PACKET KINGS made users abandon our PACKET NETWORKS in
the first place!
I hope this does not happen again, although now that the above do not have
any more users to oppress, they get
on each other's throats. I still read PACKET MAIL via VHF PACKET RADIO or
via HF PACTOR and I'm afraid to say that it still is in the same sorry
state it was 20 years ago.
So maybe we must first teach SYSOPS how to behave to their future users,
and then try to find any users.
As for applications, e-mail and CONVERS, that we already have in some
isolated AMPRnet areas, sounds good enough to me and then we can build on
that. One thing at a time.
Look at the WINLINK2000 group. They offer a fantastic Radio E-Mail Service,
Position Beacons and Weather Fax via HF PACTOR, HF WINMOR, D-STAR, WiFi,
VHF/UHF PACKET, APRSLINK with your TH-D7, TH-D72 or VX-8E HT, TELNET.
POSITION BEACONS, WEATHER FAX, WEBMAIL. Their system does not have to
bother with WhitePages and all this crap. Their end users are provided with
a radio e-mail address like CALLSIGN(a)WINLINK.ORG and they use this anywhere
in the WORLD. They have thousands of users. I am one of them.
I think that we must find an easy and consistent way to build and maintain
AMPRnet as a network and to keep it as simple as possible, otherwise people
will turn their back on us, again!
Remember, if we don't teach the SYSOPS how to behave, BGP, RIP etc will not
keep the end user with us.
73 de Demetre SV1UY