So how are folks actually making use of all this nifty routing technology on the air with Amateur Radio these days?
I don't remember the last time I've seen an "ampr.org" email address here on the list. I kinda remember the last time I had one that worked...
Bill
I don't remember the last time I've seen an "ampr.org" email address here on the list. I kinda remember the last time I had one that worked...
I just created an account for the mailing list with my n2nov@n2nov.ampr.org address. When trying to email back a confirmation I get: 16:56:00 - smtp [169.228.66.6] trying 16:56:00 - smtp [169.228.66.6] timeout 16:57:00 - smtp [169.228.66.6] trying 16:57:00 - smtp [169.228.66.6] timeout 16:58:00 - smtp [169.228.66.6] trying 16:58:00 - smtp [169.228.66.6] timeout
44net-confirm+"hash stuff"@hamradio.ucsd.edu is the destination email.
Yes, I'd like to see more people working on networking over the air using amateur radio.
Otherwise we're just another branch of the Internet and there's nothing new or exciting about that. - Brian
On 24.7.2013 23:19, Brian Kantor wrote:
Yes, I'd like to see more people working on networking over the air using amateur radio.
Otherwise we're just another branch of the Internet and there's nothing new or exciting about that.
Is there simple (and cheap of course) way to establish TCP/IP radio link but not using WiFi equipment? I have options to use 2m or 70cm bands only.
Link speed is not critical.
I'm trying to respond to the mailing list server, after registering my ampr.org address for membership, but the smtp does not go through. When I try a manual smtp connection from the JNOS box I get:
ARECS:N2NOV-7 (#1) > telnet hamradio.ucsd.edu 25 Trying... The escape character is: CTRL-T *** busy from 169.228.66.6:smtp
ARECS:N2NOV-7 (#1) >
try inbound.ucsd.edu, the mx records for hamradio.ucsd.edu are;
hamradio.ucsd.edu - prio 50 inbound.ucsd.edu - prio 75
i also get a timeout from hamradio.ucsd.edu:25 so i guess modern mailers switch to the second record. Maybe jnos does not support multiple mx records ?
Robbie ON4SAX
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Charles Hargrove n2nov@n2nov.net wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I'm trying to respond to the mailing list server, after registering my ampr.org address for membership, but the smtp does not go through. When I try a manual smtp connection from the JNOS box I get:
ARECS:N2NOV-7 (#1) > telnet hamradio.ucsd.edu 25 Trying... The escape character is: CTRL-T *** busy from 169.228.66.6:smtp
ARECS:N2NOV-7 (#1) >
-- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Net Mon. @ 8:30PM 147.360/107.2 PL http://www.nyc-arecs.org and http://www.nyc-skywarn.org
NYDXA SWL & Scanner Net Wed. @ 9PM 147.360/107.2 PL http://www.n2nov.net
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On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 02:31 +0200, Robbie De Lise wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ try inbound.ucsd.edu, the mx records for hamradio.ucsd.edu are;
hamradio.ucsd.edu - prio 50 inbound.ucsd.edu - prio 75
i also get a timeout from hamradio.ucsd.edu:25 so i guess modern mailers switch to the second record. Maybe jnos does not support multiple mx records ?
Check your uplink too, some ISPs here (comcast is one) filter outbound port 25, 110, and others... so you will have to insure you source as your 44-net IP.
Robbie's suggestion worked as I added the MX entries and turned USEMX to ON. The JNOS box is currently sitting at a hosted location where I rent the entire box and a range of IP addresses. Long time, no talk, Brian!
On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 02:31 +0200, Robbie De Lise wrote:
try inbound.ucsd.edu, the mx records for hamradio.ucsd.edu are;
hamradio.ucsd.edu - prio 50 inbound.ucsd.edu - prio 75
i also get a timeout from hamradio.ucsd.edu:25 so i guess modern mailers switch to the second record. Maybe jnos does not support multiple mx records ?
Check your uplink too, some ISPs here (comcast is one) filter outbound port 25, 110, and others... so you will have to insure you source as your 44-net IP.
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 14:19 -0700, Brian Kantor spaketh:
Yes, I'd like to see more people working on networking over the air using amateur radio.
Otherwise we're just another branch of the Internet and there's nothing new or exciting about that.
I totally agree, and to add to this thought;
I have yet to see any thread in here in which validates convincing fellow hams into getting on the amprnet via RF whether it be 2m or 5Ghz! Everyone agrees, "you can spend a hundred here or a couple hundred there... for high speed RF..." Now think about this (and I'm only being realistic not trying to be a killjoy) but; How on earth are you going to sell this concept of high speed networking at an additional cost that's more severly government regulated than what they're paying NOW for commercial internet per month? Note: end users will *never* tally a yearly cost in their figures, they will compare a $39.95 figure (even if it's only per month) vs $100.00 for something that allows them to do less on the network they're linked to.
As further food for thought, why do we have an internet mail list for packet when there's an alleged packet mail system (fbb/bpqbbs/etc) that we can use - and allegedly use RADIO for? Is this our group's subconscious admitting to ourselves packet doesn't work? Is it proof by action we really prefer to be an underground ISP?
Where are the new L7 apps? I saw some suggestions before about them, then they were kicked aside as being too government regulated and dropped... which brings the question of what's all this robust dynamic routing/networking going to serve? How do you sell it to the end user who is going to see a lower cost for commercial internet and less regulation (aka: more L7) than for any RF?
Here in the NorthEast US, we couldn't convince hams to install 9600 baud when 2400 baud dialup into a local BBS was the thing and residential internet accounts were basically unheard of... how would that change today? A higher bandwidth then didn't fly, what seriously has changed now (except the providers have increased their speeds at cheaper costs)?
I'm not looking for flames, I'm looking for opinions here... Thanks for reading this. </SoapBox>
On 25.07.13. 04:34, Brian Rogers wrote:
I have yet to see any thread in here in which validates convincing fellow hams into getting on the amprnet via RF whether it be 2m or 5Ghz!
I guess convincing will not work. If they have Internet they will use Internet.
I have sad experience with wireless communities. As Internet became easily available for low price, such communities eroded. Peple simply did not find it interesting to pay more for equipment to join wireless community with limited Internet services that to simply pay for commercial Internet access. And wireless communities do not have such limitations in usage as HAM radio does.
I suppose it is better to target those that need such service, instead. My idea is to provide communication for remote DX and contest locations that are usually in rural places with bad or no Internet communication infrastructure at all.
I do not strive to provide ISP quality services. If they can check propagation info, DX cluster, exchange email, have communication with other team members (in multi op contests teams for example) or use other similar services, it will do.
Pedja YT9TP
Op 25-07-13 16:39, YT9TP op. Pedja schreef:
I guess convincing will not work. If they have Internet they will use Internet.
I have sad experience with wireless communities. As Internet became easily available for low price, such communities eroded. Peple simply did not find it interesting to pay more for equipment to join wireless community with limited Internet services that to simply pay for commercial Internet access. And wireless communities do not have such limitations in usage as HAM radio does.
I suppose it is better to target those that need such service, instead. My idea is to provide communication for remote DX and contest locations that are usually in rural places with bad or no Internet communication infrastructure at all.
I do not strive to provide ISP quality services. If they can check propagation info, DX cluster, exchange email, have communication with other team members (in multi op contests teams for example) or use other similar services, it will do.
Pedja YT9TP
Even rural location can get relative wideband internet for not to much money, 6 Mb/s down trough 2way satelite nowedays can be had for about 500 euro hardware and 50 euro per month so even those will not be convinced on usabilety, it's all about because you can.
73 Andre PE1RDW
On 25.07.13. 16:54, PE1RDW wrote:
Even rural location can get relative wideband internet for not to much money, 6 Mb/s down trough 2way satelite nowedays can be had for about 500 euro hardware and 50 euro per month so even those will not be convinced on usabilety, it's all about because you can.
I do not know how is it over there, but here, noone would pay 500 EUR for equipment and 50 as monthly price, especially for remote location which is used only for DX and contesting.
If I cannot manage to allow people to use old obsolete 2m/70cm walkie-talkie, antenna, laptop and simple audio cables to connect to AMPRNet, then I would not do it at all, as that is the most I can expect from people to be ready to invest. And one more thing, it is required that they do not have to mangle with settings. Setting things up should be as simple as possible.
If they have to invest more, or mess with settings they will not. If is much simpler and cheaper to buy mobile network internet stick and have it all working in a minute, they will choose that.
People will do something if it is interesting. There is nothing interesting for them in spending money on expensive technology that is already behind.
I am ready to do something just to do it, as I like to set up and use any kind of communication. I believe most of us on this list do so. But we are minority. If goal is to get AMPR into wide use, then it has to have some purpose that justifies investments in equipment and hassle of learning.
Over here we created quite a nice national network of wireless communities, all with iBGP and stuff. It looks really nice and we learned a lot while making it. But it is not in use. We do occasionally ping and traceroute through just to see and admire how it works. Common people are not interested in that. Not even if we offer Internet access for free. They do not see the point to buy WiFi equipment as they get full internet through ADSL or cable with free devices included. The only people interested are those that cannot get internet otherwise.
Pedja YT9TP
Op 25-07-13 19:19, YT9TP op. Pedja schreef:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On 25.07.13. 16:54, PE1RDW wrote:
Even rural location can get relative wideband internet for not to much money, 6 Mb/s down trough 2way satelite nowedays can be had for about 500 euro hardware and 50 euro per month so even those will not be convinced on usabilety, it's all about because you can.
I do not know how is it over there, but here, noone would pay 500 EUR for equipment and 50 as monthly price, especially for remote location which is used only for DX and contesting.
If I cannot manage to allow people to use old obsolete 2m/70cm walkie-talkie, antenna, laptop and simple audio cables to connect to AMPRNet, then I would not do it at all, as that is the most I can expect from people to be ready to invest. And one more thing, it is required that they do not have to mangle with settings. Setting things up should be as simple as possible.
If they have to invest more, or mess with settings they will not. If is much simpler and cheaper to buy mobile network internet stick and have it all working in a minute, they will choose that.
People will do something if it is interesting. There is nothing interesting for them in spending money on expensive technology that is already behind.
I am ready to do something just to do it, as I like to set up and use any kind of communication. I believe most of us on this list do so. But we are minority. If goal is to get AMPR into wide use, then it has to have some purpose that justifies investments in equipment and hassle of learning.
Over here we created quite a nice national network of wireless communities, all with iBGP and stuff. It looks really nice and we learned a lot while making it. But it is not in use. We do occasionally ping and traceroute through just to see and admire how it works. Common people are not interested in that. Not even if we offer Internet access for free. They do not see the point to buy WiFi equipment as they get full internet through ADSL or cable with free devices included. The only people interested are those that cannot get internet otherwise.
Pedja YT9TP
You are contradicting a litle, if they are close enough for 2m/70cm then they are close enough for mobile phone internet, if it is a dx-pedition or remote farm they won't be in vhf and uhf range in the first place and 500 euro investment and 50 euro monthly fee is low compared to the other costs and even if it is just one time then can just rent it for 70 to 100 euro per month all in, that is only twice what you would pay for a qualety adsl connection.
maybe we should start to ask if getting wide use of AMPR is the goal we are after, anything we can do on AMPR and packet we can do better on internet, afterall we are discussing this on an internet mailinglist and not on the packet network, I think one of the most active discusions on packet network is on sysop@ww about the misrouting by other sysops, that makes me conclude that only sysops are using the network just like only gateways and lap sysops use the AMPR net.
This is not realy a bad thing, just a realisation that we do what we do for ourselfs.
73 Andre PE1RDW
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:29 AM, PE1RDW pe1rdw@amsat.org wrote:
You are contradicting a litle, if they are close enough for 2m/70cm then they are close enough for mobile phone internet, if it is a dx-pedition or remote farm they won't be in vhf and uhf range in the first place and 500 euro investment and 50 euro monthly fee is low compared to the other costs and even if it is just one time then can just rent it for 70 to 100 euro per month all in, that is only twice what you would pay for a qualety adsl connection.
maybe we should start to ask if getting wide use of AMPR is the goal we are after, anything we can do on AMPR and packet we can do better on internet, afterall we are discussing this on an internet mailinglist and not on the packet network, I think one of the most active discusions on packet network is on sysop@ww about the misrouting by other sysops, that makes me conclude that only sysops are using the network just like only gateways and lap sysops use the AMPR net.
This is not realy a bad thing, just a realisation that we do what we do for ourselfs.
73 Andre PE1RDW
Andre and all,
NETROM BARONS and PACKET KINGS made users abandon our PACKET NETWORKS in the first place!
I hope this does not happen again, although now that the above do not have any more users to oppress, they get on each other's throats. I still read PACKET MAIL via VHF PACKET RADIO or via HF PACTOR and I'm afraid to say that it still is in the same sorry state it was 20 years ago.
So maybe we must first teach SYSOPS how to behave to their future users, and then try to find any users.
As for applications, e-mail and CONVERS, that we already have in some isolated AMPRnet areas, sounds good enough to me and then we can build on that. One thing at a time.
Look at the WINLINK2000 group. They offer a fantastic Radio E-Mail Service, Position Beacons and Weather Fax via HF PACTOR, HF WINMOR, D-STAR, WiFi, VHF/UHF PACKET, APRSLINK with your TH-D7, TH-D72 or VX-8E HT, TELNET. POSITION BEACONS, WEATHER FAX, WEBMAIL. Their system does not have to bother with WhitePages and all this crap. Their end users are provided with a radio e-mail address like CALLSIGN@WINLINK.ORG and they use this anywhere in the WORLD. They have thousands of users. I am one of them.
I think that we must find an easy and consistent way to build and maintain AMPRnet as a network and to keep it as simple as possible, otherwise people will turn their back on us, again!
Remember, if we don't teach the SYSOPS how to behave, BGP, RIP etc will not keep the end user with us.
73 de Demetre SV1UY
On 25.7.2013 23:29, PE1RDW wrote:
You are contradicting a litle, if they are close enough for 2m/70cm then they are close enough for mobile phone internet
Not quite. You cannot set cell phone tower where you want them, but with ham radio nodes you can. In hilly areas like where I live it matters a lot.
, if it is a dx-pedition or remote farm they won't be in vhf and uhf range in the first place and 500 euro investment and 50 euro monthly fee is low compared to the other costs and even if it is just one time then can just rent it for 70 to 100 euro per month all in, that is only twice what you would pay for a qualety adsl connection.
I guess you did not pay attention to what I said. To make it simple: we live in different worlds. People here do not share the same system of values like you do.
maybe we should start to ask if getting wide use of AMPR is the goal we are after,anything we can do on AMPR and packet we can do better on internet, afterall we are discussing this on an internet mailinglist and not on the packet network, I think one of the most active discusions on packet network is on sysop@ww about the misrouting by other sysops, that makes me conclude that only sysops are using the network just like only gateways and lap sysops use the AMPR net.
This is not realy a bad thing, just a realisation that we do what we do for ourselfs.
And what is a goal then? I am ham since 1985. Other than enjoying doing ham stuff, most of my ham activities were not for myself, but for spreading the word, involving people, teaching them, letting them know and use ham technologies.
Back then we had prestige. We could do things ordinary people could not do, and we got admiration for that. Today, we lost that prestige. The most distinguishable knowledge we have (or better said we had) is Morse Code which is obsolete today.
Packet radio is technology mobile GRPS networks are based on. But we are still using Packet Radio. It is outdated for how long, 10 - 15 years? Packet Radio did not change a lot since time I used it as young boy. Of course it is not interesting any more.
Creating AMPR is not some achievement nowadays. Again, it is stuck with specific customized and outdated protocols. Other than that, it would be quite straight forward to spread it.
The best hams can do today is HSMM which except fancy acronym is nothing fancy - ordinary WiFi limited to ham frequencies and released of power limitations of free band.
Modern hams toy is APRS. And what is it? Location (and messaging) service reserved just for hams, with limited functionality and expensive equipment needed. Today ordinary people can get tracking device for 30-40 USD, and get very fancy free or almost free services using that. And that is if they need tracker for some specific purpose like tracking children or pets or elders with Alzheimer. Usually they do not have to buy anything as almost every modern mobile phone can do the job for no additional price.
So, we lost prestige. Did we lost soul too? I grow up in environment where being ham was not being selfish and looking for personal goals. I was always thought and I always thought others that being ham is getting and sharing. So doing ham activities just for myself is not an option for me. And I hope that it is still the main goal in overall ham community.
So, as it is hard to get new prestige (that can be achieved by inventing something new that would be solely hams privilege), and thus motivate others to join, we have other option: to improve what we got, and make it accessible and desirable for other so that would be motivation for them to join.
It others do not join then we get back to the question at the beginning of the story - what's the point?
Pedja, YT9TP
What is modern about APRS.. Its been around since the 1980s and uses Packet Radio... As well as internet... It has not changed in about 30 years.. Other then adjusting settings...
I know a ham in Northern Indiana that has been tracking his dogs on his 1000 acres since 1988
Expensive.. What is Expensive... A sinmple setup can be had for under 100$ complete with radio GPS and antenna... Think Chinese HT...
I do have trackers in all my vehicles using Kenwood TMD710As and GPS710's
I have a KPC3+ Connected to my MultiMode Multi Port Linbpq system that runs 5 HF rigs and two UHF and three Vhf..
21 ports of VHF UHF HF 300-9600 Baud Packet Robust packet PI II III and Winmor.... 23 outdoor antennas three towers and all for less then $10k
Spent slowly over the last 30 years.. Mostly bought cheap defective gear used of course and fixed it myself.. Only a few items where bought new.. My Icom746 and the Kenwood TM710's and the asscoiated GPS's
It can be as cheap or as expensive as you wish to make it..
Did an ins evaluation last year everything replaced at todays cost new would be $137,000 if I include replacement labor on towers that number is even more...
But when I started in 1991 I had a THD27a $75 HT a KPC3 $90 and a homade antenna on the air with a used 8088 PC I put together from parts $10
We do need something new and different from what the internet has to offer and RF links..
Anyone consider HF TCPIP links.. Might be slow but better then relying on the internet... Could be as fast a PIII Just asking...
I guess if everyone wants to use CELLPHONES then we do not need to bother them and move on..
Ok I realize they already have a cellphone internet etc so no additional expense is needed.. Lame excuse for side stepping their ham radio roots.. If everyone and I do it too, who is on the interet doing Ham radio.. Uses the internet to augment ham radio, ran at least one RF port we would be advancing our efforts..
Just my lame 2 cents.... :)
No Flames or disrespect intended... At all... We are all brothers here!!!! :)
73 Jerry
Modern hams toy is APRS. And what is it? Location (and messaging) service reserved just for hams, with limited functionality and expensive equipment needed. Today ordinary people can get tracking device for 30-40 USD, and get very fancy free or almost free services using that. And that is if they need tracker for some specific purpose like tracking children or pets or elders with Alzheimer. Usually they do not have to buy anything as almost every modern mobile phone can do the job for no additional price.
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Why use ham radio over mobile phone link? Simple...after Hurricane Katrina in the south wast US the cell sites lasted until they expended their back up diesel. Then ZERO service in southern Mississippi, Alabama, and New Orleans. We do this as a hobby for fun, but the allocations are there for emergencies.
Lin
gateways and lap sysops use the AMPR net.
This is not realy a bad thing, just a realisation that we do what we do for ourselfs.
And what is a goal then? I am ham since 1985. Other than enjoying doing ham stuff, most of my ham activities were not for myself, but for spreading the word, involving people, teaching them, letting them know and use ham technologies.
Back then we had prestige. We could do things ordinary people could not do, and we got admiration for that. Today, we lost that prestige. The most distinguishable knowledge we have (or better said we had) is Morse Code which is obsolete today.
Packet radio is technology mobile GRPS networks are based on. But we are still using Packet Radio. It is outdated for how long, 10 - 15 years? Packet Radio did not change a lot since time I used it as young boy. Of course it is not interesting any more.
Creating AMPR is not some achievement nowadays. Again, it is stuck with specific customized and outdated protocols. Other than that, it would be quite straight forward to spread it.
The best hams can do today is HSMM which except fancy acronym is nothing fancy - ordinary WiFi limited to ham frequencies and released of power limitations of free band.
Modern hams toy is APRS. And what is it? Location (and messaging) service reserved just for hams, with limited functionality and expensive equipment needed. Today ordinary people can get tracking device for 30-40 USD, and get very fancy free or almost free services using that. And that is if they need tracker for some specific purpose like tracking children or pets or elders with Alzheimer. Usually they do not have to buy anything as almost every modern mobile phone can do the job for no additional price.
So, we lost prestige. Did we lost soul too? I grow up in environment where being ham was not being selfish and looking for personal goals. I was always thought and I always thought others that being ham is getting and sharing. So doing ham activities just for myself is not an option for me. And I hope that it is still the main goal in overall ham community.
So, as it is hard to get new prestige (that can be achieved by inventing something new that would be solely hams privilege), and thus motivate others to join, we have other option: to improve what we got, and make it accessible and desirable for other so that would be motivation for them to join.
It others do not join then we get back to the question at the beginning of the story - what's the point?
Pedja, YT9TP
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I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to call@bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this correct and is there an ampernet DNS server?
I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system but not the ampernet addresses.
Thank you,
Jerry, N0MR
Jeryy I just use my dns server from my isp domain dns on domain ttl 7200 #domain addserver 132.239.1.1 domain adds 24.222.0.94 domain adds 24.222.0.95 #domain adds 44.135.32.201 domain maxwait 1200 domain suffix ampr.org. domain translate off domain verbose off domain update on domain cache size 200 domain cache clean on domain cache wait 3600 is i little different in jnos but should work
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to call@bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this correct and is there an ampernet DNS server?
I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system but not the ampernet addresses.
Thank you,
Jerry, N0MR
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You need a dns server for that.
In jnos I just added the address of my dns server running in linux
You can use Google public dns in linux (or jnos) as forwarders or others.
Google Public DNS IP addresses
The Google Public DNS IP addresses (IPv4) are as follows:
* 8.8.8.8 * 8.8.4.4
The Google Public DNS IPv6 addresses are as follows:
* 2001:4860:4860::8888 * 2001:4860:4860::8844
Bob, VE3TOK
On 13-07-27 03:36 PM, Lakenet wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to call@bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this correct and is there an ampernet DNS server?
I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system but not the ampernet addresses.
Thank you,
Jerry, N0MR
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Thank you all for the suggestions. DNS is not the problem. I don't have the solution, but here is what I found.
I can send a message to call@bbs.ampr.org from the Linux JNOS computer. I usually send SMTP from a Windows Live Mail account on another computer on my home network to JNOS on my Linux computer. Messages addressed with this format are being denied by JNOS. The DNS is returning the correct address. I must find why JNOS is refusing the messages. JNOS accepts messages in h-address format. I'll try other and especially older mail programs.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Jerry, N0MR
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Tenty Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:20 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Routing
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ You need a dns server for that.
In jnos I just added the address of my dns server running in linux
You can use Google public dns in linux (or jnos) as forwarders or others.
Google Public DNS IP addresses
The Google Public DNS IP addresses (IPv4) are as follows:
* 8.8.8.8 * 8.8.4.4
The Google Public DNS IPv6 addresses are as follows:
* 2001:4860:4860::8888 * 2001:4860:4860::8844
Bob, VE3TOK
On 13-07-27 03:36 PM, Lakenet wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to call@bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this correct and is there an ampernet DNS server?
I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system but not the ampernet addresses.
Thank you,
Jerry, N0MR
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Make sure your rewrite file is OK
Example:
*@port.ve3mch.ampr.org $1 *@ve3mch $1 *@ve3mch.* $1 *@ve3mch-5* $1 *@ve3mch-6* $1
*@*.ampr.org $1@$2.ampr.org *@*.net $1@$2.net *@*.com $1@$2.com
etc.
This is at the start of the rewrite file before all the ax25 rewrite lines.
Bob VE3TOK
On 13-07-27 07:06 PM, Lakenet wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Thank you all for the suggestions. DNS is not the problem. I don't have the solution, but here is what I found.
I can send a message to call@bbs.ampr.org from the Linux JNOS computer. I usually send SMTP from a Windows Live Mail account on another computer on my home network to JNOS on my Linux computer. Messages addressed with this format are being denied by JNOS. The DNS is returning the correct address. I must find why JNOS is refusing the messages. JNOS accepts messages in h-address format. I'll try other and especially older mail programs.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Jerry, N0MR
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Tenty Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:20 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Routing
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ You need a dns server for that.
In jnos I just added the address of my dns server running in linux
You can use Google public dns in linux (or jnos) as forwarders or others.
Google Public DNS IP addresses
The Google Public DNS IP addresses (IPv4) are as follows:
- 8.8.8.8
- 8.8.4.4
The Google Public DNS IPv6 addresses are as follows:
- 2001:4860:4860::8888
- 2001:4860:4860::8844
Bob, VE3TOK
On 13-07-27 03:36 PM, Lakenet wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to call@bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this correct and is there an ampernet DNS server?
I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system but not the ampernet addresses.
Thank you,
Jerry, N0MR
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Thanks Bob.
My rewrite is very similar. I'm thinking maybe a route is missing and I'll look at that next.
Jerry, N0MR
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Tenty Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:04 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Routing
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Make sure your rewrite file is OK
Example:
*@port.ve3mch.ampr.org $1 *@ve3mch $1 *@ve3mch.* $1 *@ve3mch-5* $1 *@ve3mch-6* $1
*@*.ampr.org $1@$2.ampr.org *@*.net $1@$2.net *@*.com $1@$2.com
etc.
This is at the start of the rewrite file before all the ax25 rewrite lines.
Bob VE3TOK
On 13-07-27 07:06 PM, Lakenet wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Thank you all for the suggestions. DNS is not the problem. I don't have the solution, but here is what I found.
I can send a message to call@bbs.ampr.org from the Linux JNOS computer. I usually send SMTP from a Windows Live Mail account on another computer on my home network to JNOS on my Linux computer. Messages addressed with this format are being denied by JNOS. The DNS is returning the correct address. I must find why JNOS is refusing the messages. JNOS accepts messages in h-address format. I'll try other and especially older mail programs.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Jerry, N0MR
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Tenty Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:20 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Routing
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ You need a dns server for that.
In jnos I just added the address of my dns server running in linux
You can use Google public dns in linux (or jnos) as forwarders or others.
Google Public DNS IP addresses
The Google Public DNS IP addresses (IPv4) are as follows:
- 8.8.8.8
- 8.8.4.4
The Google Public DNS IPv6 addresses are as follows:
- 2001:4860:4860::8888
- 2001:4860:4860::8844
Bob, VE3TOK
On 13-07-27 03:36 PM, Lakenet wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to call@bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this correct and is there an ampernet DNS server?
I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system but not the ampernet addresses.
Thank you,
Jerry, N0MR
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net http://www.ampr.org/donate.html
So how are folks actually making use of all this nifty routing technology on the air with Amateur Radio these days?
I don't remember the last time I've seen an "ampr.org" email address here on the list. I kinda remember the last time I had one that worked...
Bill
Bill, feel free to email me at kg6baj@gvcity.ampr.org.
My address works just fine ;)
Bill / KG6BAJ GVCITY Node. 44.2.14.1 (et. al.)
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