On 24.7.2013 23:19, Brian Kantor wrote: Is there simple (and cheap of course) way to establish TCP/IP radio link but not using WiFi equipment? I have options to use 2m or 70cm bands only. Link speed is not critical.

try inbound.ucsd.edu, the mx records for hamradio.ucsd.edu are; hamradio.ucsd.edu - prio 50 inbound.ucsd.edu - prio 75 i also get a timeout from hamradio.ucsd.edu:25 so i guess modern mailers switch to the second record. Maybe jnos does not support multiple mx records ? Robbie ON4SAX On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Charles Hargrove <n2nov(a)n2nov.net> wrote:

Robbie's suggestion worked as I added the MX entries and turned USEMX to ON. The JNOS box is currently sitting at a hosted location where I rent the entire box and a range of IP addresses. Long time, no talk, Brian! -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Net Mon. @ 8:30PM 147.360/107.2 PL http://www.nyc-arecs.org and http://www.nyc-skywarn.org NYDXA SWL & Scanner Net Wed. @ 9PM 147.360/107.2 PL http://www.n2nov.net "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan

On 25.07.13. 04:34, Brian Rogers wrote: I guess convincing will not work. If they have Internet they will use Internet. I have sad experience with wireless communities. As Internet became easily available for low price, such communities eroded. Peple simply did not find it interesting to pay more for equipment to join wireless community with limited Internet services that to simply pay for commercial Internet access. And wireless communities do not have such limitations in usage as HAM radio does. I suppose it is better to target those that need such service, instead. My idea is to provide communication for remote DX and contest locations that are usually in rural places with bad or no Internet communication infrastructure at all. I do not strive to provide ISP quality services. If they can check propagation info, DX cluster, exchange email, have communication with other team members (in multi op contests teams for example) or use other similar services, it will do. Pedja YT9TP

On 25.07.13. 16:54, PE1RDW wrote: I do not know how is it over there, but here, noone would pay 500 EUR for equipment and 50 as monthly price, especially for remote location which is used only for DX and contesting. If I cannot manage to allow people to use old obsolete 2m/70cm walkie-talkie, antenna, laptop and simple audio cables to connect to AMPRNet, then I would not do it at all, as that is the most I can expect from people to be ready to invest. And one more thing, it is required that they do not have to mangle with settings. Setting things up should be as simple as possible. If they have to invest more, or mess with settings they will not. If is much simpler and cheaper to buy mobile network internet stick and have it all working in a minute, they will choose that. People will do something if it is interesting. There is nothing interesting for them in spending money on expensive technology that is already behind. I am ready to do something just to do it, as I like to set up and use any kind of communication. I believe most of us on this list do so. But we are minority. If goal is to get AMPR into wide use, then it has to have some purpose that justifies investments in equipment and hassle of learning. Over here we created quite a nice national network of wireless communities, all with iBGP and stuff. It looks really nice and we learned a lot while making it. But it is not in use. We do occasionally ping and traceroute through just to see and admire how it works. Common people are not interested in that. Not even if we offer Internet access for free. They do not see the point to buy WiFi equipment as they get full internet through ADSL or cable with free devices included. The only people interested are those that cannot get internet otherwise. Pedja YT9TP

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:29 AM, PE1RDW <pe1rdw(a)amsat.org> wrote: Andre and all, NETROM BARONS and PACKET KINGS made users abandon our PACKET NETWORKS in the first place! I hope this does not happen again, although now that the above do not have any more users to oppress, they get on each other's throats. I still read PACKET MAIL via VHF PACKET RADIO or via HF PACTOR and I'm afraid to say that it still is in the same sorry state it was 20 years ago. So maybe we must first teach SYSOPS how to behave to their future users, and then try to find any users. As for applications, e-mail and CONVERS, that we already have in some isolated AMPRnet areas, sounds good enough to me and then we can build on that. One thing at a time. Look at the WINLINK2000 group. They offer a fantastic Radio E-Mail Service, Position Beacons and Weather Fax via HF PACTOR, HF WINMOR, D-STAR, WiFi, VHF/UHF PACKET, APRSLINK with your TH-D7, TH-D72 or VX-8E HT, TELNET. POSITION BEACONS, WEATHER FAX, WEBMAIL. Their system does not have to bother with WhitePages and all this crap. Their end users are provided with a radio e-mail address like CALLSIGN(a)WINLINK.ORG and they use this anywhere in the WORLD. They have thousands of users. I am one of them. I think that we must find an easy and consistent way to build and maintain AMPRnet as a network and to keep it as simple as possible, otherwise people will turn their back on us, again! Remember, if we don't teach the SYSOPS how to behave, BGP, RIP etc will not keep the end user with us. 73 de Demetre SV1UY

What is modern about APRS.. Its been around since the 1980s and uses Packet Radio... As well as internet... It has not changed in about 30 years.. Other then adjusting settings... I know a ham in Northern Indiana that has been tracking his dogs on his 1000 acres since 1988 Expensive.. What is Expensive... A sinmple setup can be had for under 100$ complete with radio GPS and antenna... Think Chinese HT... I do have trackers in all my vehicles using Kenwood TMD710As and GPS710's I have a KPC3+ Connected to my MultiMode Multi Port Linbpq system that runs 5 HF rigs and two UHF and three Vhf.. 21 ports of VHF UHF HF 300-9600 Baud Packet Robust packet PI II III and Winmor.... 23 outdoor antennas three towers and all for less then $10k Spent slowly over the last 30 years.. Mostly bought cheap defective gear used of course and fixed it myself.. Only a few items where bought new.. My Icom746 and the Kenwood TM710's and the asscoiated GPS's It can be as cheap or as expensive as you wish to make it.. Did an ins evaluation last year everything replaced at todays cost new would be $137,000 if I include replacement labor on towers that number is even more... But when I started in 1991 I had a THD27a $75 HT a KPC3 $90 and a homade antenna on the air with a used 8088 PC I put together from parts $10 We do need something new and different from what the internet has to offer and RF links.. Anyone consider HF TCPIP links.. Might be slow but better then relying on the internet... Could be as fast a PIII Just asking... I guess if everyone wants to use CELLPHONES then we do not need to bother them and move on.. Ok I realize they already have a cellphone internet etc so no additional expense is needed.. Lame excuse for side stepping their ham radio roots.. If everyone and I do it too, who is on the interet doing Ham radio.. Uses the internet to augment ham radio, ran at least one RF port we would be advancing our efforts.. Just my lame 2 cents.... :) No Flames or disrespect intended... At all... We are all brothers here!!!! :) 73 Jerry Modern hams toy is APRS. And what is it? Location (and messaging) service reserved just for hams, with limited functionality and expensive equipment needed. Today ordinary people can get tracking device for 30-40 USD, and get very fancy free or almost free services using that. And that is if they need tracker for some specific purpose like tracking children or pets or elders with Alzheimer. Usually they do not have to buy anything as almost every modern mobile phone can do the job for no additional price. Jerry Kutche Electrical Supervisor Lehigh Cement Company LLC 180 N. Meridian Road Mitchell, IN 47446 Phone: (812) 849-2191 ext. 251 Fax: (812) 849-5007 Cell: (812) 583-0445 jkutche(a)lehighcement.com www.lehighcement.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden.

I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to call(a)bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this correct and is there an ampernet DNS server? I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system but not the ampernet addresses. Thank you, Jerry, N0MR

You need a dns server for that. In jnos I just added the address of my dns server running in linux You can use Google public dns in linux (or jnos) as forwarders or others. Google Public DNS IP addresses The Google Public DNS IP addresses (IPv4) are as follows: * 8.8.8.8 * 8.8.4.4 The Google Public DNS IPv6 addresses are as follows: * 2001:4860:4860::8888 * 2001:4860:4860::8844 Bob, VE3TOK On 13-07-27 03:36 PM, Lakenet wrote:

Make sure your rewrite file is OK Example: *(a)port.ve3mch.ampr.org $1 *@ve3mch $1 *(a)ve3mch.* $1 *@ve3mch-5* $1 *@ve3mch-6* $1 *(a)*.ampr.org $1(a)$2.ampr.org *(a)*.net $1(a)$2.net *(a)*.com $1(a)$2.com etc. This is at the start of the rewrite file before all the ax25 rewrite lines. Bob VE3TOK On 13-07-27 07:06 PM, Lakenet wrote: > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) > _______________________________________________ > Thank you all for the suggestions. DNS is not the problem. I don't > have the solution, but here is what I found. > > I can send a message to call(a)bbs.ampr.org from the Linux JNOS > computer. I usually send SMTP from a Windows Live Mail account on > another computer on my home network to JNOS on my Linux computer. > Messages addressed with this format are being denied by JNOS. The DNS > is returning the correct address. I must find why JNOS is refusing the > messages. JNOS accepts messages in h-address format. I'll try other > and especially older mail programs. > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > Jerry, N0MR > > -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tenty > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:20 PM > To: AMPRNet working group > Subject: Re: [44net] Routing > > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) > _______________________________________________ > You need a dns server for that. > > In jnos I just added the address of my dns server running in linux > > You can use Google public dns in linux (or jnos) as forwarders > or others. > > Google Public DNS IP addresses > > The Google Public DNS IP addresses (IPv4) are as follows: > > * 8.8.8.8 > * 8.8.4.4 > > The Google Public DNS IPv6 addresses are as follows: > > * 2001:4860:4860::8888 > * 2001:4860:4860::8844 > > Bob, VE3TOK > > > > > > On 13-07-27 03:36 PM, Lakenet wrote: >> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) >> _______________________________________________ >> I have Linux JNOS running and doing fine with local ampernet mail >> forwarding using the local ampernet DNS table. RIP is also running >> fine so I have the encap information. If I attempt to send to >> call(a)bbs.ampr.org for a bbs that is not in our local DNS table, seems >> I need a DNS server to give me the forwarding information. Is this >> correct and is there an ampernet DNS server? >> >> I am able to send international packet mail using the h-address system >> but not the ampernet addresses. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jerry, N0MR >> >> _________________________________________ >> 44Net mailing list >> 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu >> http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net >> http://www.ampr.org/donate.html > >