Op 25-07-13 19:19, YT9TP op. Pedja schreef:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On 25.07.13. 16:54, PE1RDW wrote:
Even rural location can get relative wideband internet for not to much money, 6 Mb/s down trough 2way satelite nowedays can be had for about 500 euro hardware and 50 euro per month so even those will not be convinced on usabilety, it's all about because you can.
I do not know how is it over there, but here, noone would pay 500 EUR for equipment and 50 as monthly price, especially for remote location which is used only for DX and contesting.
If I cannot manage to allow people to use old obsolete 2m/70cm walkie-talkie, antenna, laptop and simple audio cables to connect to AMPRNet, then I would not do it at all, as that is the most I can expect from people to be ready to invest. And one more thing, it is required that they do not have to mangle with settings. Setting things up should be as simple as possible.
If they have to invest more, or mess with settings they will not. If is much simpler and cheaper to buy mobile network internet stick and have it all working in a minute, they will choose that.
People will do something if it is interesting. There is nothing interesting for them in spending money on expensive technology that is already behind.
I am ready to do something just to do it, as I like to set up and use any kind of communication. I believe most of us on this list do so. But we are minority. If goal is to get AMPR into wide use, then it has to have some purpose that justifies investments in equipment and hassle of learning.
Over here we created quite a nice national network of wireless communities, all with iBGP and stuff. It looks really nice and we learned a lot while making it. But it is not in use. We do occasionally ping and traceroute through just to see and admire how it works. Common people are not interested in that. Not even if we offer Internet access for free. They do not see the point to buy WiFi equipment as they get full internet through ADSL or cable with free devices included. The only people interested are those that cannot get internet otherwise.
Pedja YT9TP
You are contradicting a litle, if they are close enough for 2m/70cm then they are close enough for mobile phone internet, if it is a dx-pedition or remote farm they won't be in vhf and uhf range in the first place and 500 euro investment and 50 euro monthly fee is low compared to the other costs and even if it is just one time then can just rent it for 70 to 100 euro per month all in, that is only twice what you would pay for a qualety adsl connection.
maybe we should start to ask if getting wide use of AMPR is the goal we are after, anything we can do on AMPR and packet we can do better on internet, afterall we are discussing this on an internet mailinglist and not on the packet network, I think one of the most active discusions on packet network is on sysop@ww about the misrouting by other sysops, that makes me conclude that only sysops are using the network just like only gateways and lap sysops use the AMPR net.
This is not realy a bad thing, just a realisation that we do what we do for ourselfs.
73 Andre PE1RDW