Rosie firstly thank you for reaching out to the community and acknowledging the feedback provided to the proposal over the last few days.
I have a few BGP assignments for various radio clubs, at home and remote repeater sites. One thing I have noticed over the years when requesting resources is how manual the process is, be that resource approvals, DNS delegation, LOA generation or RADB/AltDB entries.
I am not at all against re-addressing and moving into a new IP block if that simplifies routing for other 44net users, but I would not want to go through the process if the ARDC has not invested effort in automating every step of the process to ensure end users are not waiting on coordinators. The RIRs have manual judgement approval steps, but LOAs, public whois DB entries and PTR/NS delegation is all fully automated - we should make sure 44net has this in place prior to any renumbering process.
Also I read a couple of messages where it was stated IPv6 and RPKI would be a second project, if the TAC is pushing for a renumber there should at least be some carrot to entice users to renumber, in my opinion this could be an IPv6 block and RPKI entries. I support Colin's suggestion on contributed POP locations.
I look forward to reading a revised TAC proposal in the coming months,
Nat,
On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 9:53 PM Colin Bodor via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Consider allowing community members to contribute POPs, sort of like APRS2.net. AMPR could provide a couple route servers to direct them all over BGP, sort of like a distributed internet exchange, would be "self healing" but of course some vetting of POPs before had would be needed to approve a certain level of infrastructure. Each pop could also offer VPN endpoints. Just a thought I had literally just now, so take it with a grain of salt hah. -C
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net 44net-bounces+colin.bodor=imperium.ca@mailman.ampr.org On Behalf Of Rosy Wolfe via 44Net Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 14:30 To: Amprnet 44 Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org Cc: Rosy Wolfe rosy@ardc.net Subject: [44net] On Allocations, PoPs, and Proposals
Hello everyone,
I, along with the board and staff, have been reading these messages. First of all, I want you all to know that YOU ARE HEARD. The point of having the TAC put out a proposal was to get feedback before adoption. It turns out that a significant part of the feedback is negative. I think that this proposal needs more work and adjustment before we can consider implementing it. The board and I want to see consensus on the main points of a proposal among the major schools of thought on this mailing list. That said, it’s important to remember that the people on this list are not the only people using the AMRPnet. We have a complex task on our hands to reach as many of those people as possible as we evolve proposals toward consensus.
Several board members have suggested that it's hard to find consensus on solutions until we have a consensus on what problem(s) the solutions are trying to solve. We have a tangle of issues like the complexity of IPIP tunnels, to BGP routing, to address space sparseness, to low performance.
With this in mind, what problems with the AMPRnet do you think we should be trying to solve first?
One thing we haven't communicated well before, is that we are actively discussing budget and infrastructure for a “backbone” network of PoPs (Points of Presence) of the 44net on various continents, to make it easier for hams to connect to the AMPRnet with minimal effort and higher performance. If you have ideas about how you would like to see this happen, feel free to share here on the mailing list. I know that there’s at least one alternative proposal on the way.
There’s obviously more discussion to be had, but for now, please rest assured that no changes are going to be made without more input from you and others using the AMPRnet.
I also want to thank the TAC for their work up to this point. They have dedicated hundreds of hours to come up with this proposal. Even if its release has cause some heated discussion, it’s critical that these discussions happen. They will help all of us come up with the best solution for how to most effectively organize our network for the future.
73, Rosy
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