9 Nov
2018
9 Nov
'18
11:21 a.m.
Addresses are both valuable and worthless. They have a incalculable value
to the AMPR community. 95% or more of the users of this group will never
get a chance to actually have a chance to get access to a block of public
addresses to play with and learn. Sure selling access to the IP addresses
(there would not be a way to lease properly Amazon or Googe would NEVER
give them back, and ultimately lawyer up and stop paying the group.) Plus
wouldn't that invalidate the charter or this whole thing were it is to be
used for non-commercial purposes??? I would say if we open that box it
will start the clock to where we loose this whole thing.
I say leave it as is... This is just like RF spectrum. we are granted use
of our little slice and would never think of giving that up... Why would
we think of doing the same here.
Also. Anyone who wants server space or a place to land thier addresses I
have plenty of free space available (physical and virtual) in my Denver
Data Center.... Only for AMPR/Hams.... Just message me and we can work
something out..
Mike Vespoli
KE0HFH
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:48 AM Lin Holcomb <LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com>
wrote:
> What I am getting at is this is millions of dollars worth of IP real
> estate. There are no rules defining how it is to be used other than self
> imposed rules.
> As the market seems to be at a peek I think it is worth discussion to lease
> addresses to some major player like Google or Amazon in exchange for POP
> access, funding of an endowment for future research, hardware, ect. What
> is the value of lets say 2 million contiguous addresses on the open market?
>
> Lin N4YCI
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:32 AM Mark Phillips <g7ltt(a)g7ltt.com> wrote:
>
> > "I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the
space"
> >
> > This has been happening for quite some time. When I first arrived in
> > America some 20 years ago to work for NASDAQ I discovered that their test
> > network was using the 44/8 series of IP's. I flagged this up at the time
> o
> > this list. Luckily for us they are using it as a private point to point
> > network.
> >
> > Mark
> > G7LTT/NI2O
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:58 AM Lin Holcomb <
> LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the space.
> > This
> > > has already occurred on a small scale. It takes money to defend patents
> > it
> > > talks money to operate 16m addresses.
> > >
> > > I was just suggesting lease a few blocks to have income to further the
> > use
> > > by hams, provide capital to provide low cost pops and have additional
> > > access points in the event the deal at UCSD ever goes away. Do this
> while
> > > the price is high to form an endowment to run the technology in the
> > future.
> > > Lin
> > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 6:10 AM Tony Ellis <tonyellis3.te(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > IPv6 is already here. My mobile phone is dual stack, IPv4 and IPv6,
> it
> > > > will continue to grow and like everything, it is just a matter of
> time.
> > > > Some of my ISP's are dual stacked, etc. Will IPv4 go away, my
best
> > guess
> > > > is 2090....???
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM Neil Johnson <
> neil.johnson(a)erudicon.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18407173
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: I'm NOT advocating anything like that for 44.0.0.0/8.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's just going to be fun to watch the market for IPv4
address
> space
> > > boom
> > > > > and then bust when IPv6 adoption finally reaches critical mass.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Neil, N0SFH
> > > > > --
> > > > > Neil Johnson
> > > > >