27 Sep
2023
27 Sep
'23
9:37 p.m.
In my opinion, the issues of applicable radio regulations aren't to be
mixed with the ARDC acceptable use policy. They are two separate things.
The ARDC is not in a position to advise hams in the various countries what
is permitted and what is not by their regulators.
The use policy concerns use of the loaned address space. Bickering or
advise about radio regulations can be done outside of this list.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 4:23 AM Peter Hannay via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
wrote:
In relation to general internet access you prevent
access to encrypted
services via traffic inspection or use a transparent proxy to strip
encryption upstream before it hits the radio link.
Some sites would break if they use HSTS, but many services would work just
fine.
You'd want to make sure users understand this though, as accessing
anything that requires a login would be a terrible idea.
Just some thoughts I've had as I'm planning to provide some limited access
to the internet via RF and want to make sure I'm doing things in a
completely above board manner.
Cheers
Peter VK6HAX
On Wed, 27 Sept 2023, 5:12 pm Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net, <
44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for the speedy responses, very helpful.
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> * Providing general outbound internet access
for radio amateurs
connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the
allocated
amateur radio frequencies
Not a good idea - apart from the obvious issue
of accessing HTTPS /
encrypted sites then having that encrypted data transported
over amateur RF
frequencies (which would not be permitted in a lot of countries due to
licence restrictions) there is also the grey area of providing general
internet access to third parties.
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK
licence does not permit
you to use your station to provide general outbound
internet access to
Amateurs via RF
Yes I didn't really think that one though sorry. I was trying to ask some
broad questions to get a general feel for what's acceptable and didn't
consider UK license conditions.
Slightly different tack in that case, could 44net space be used as the
source IP for general internet access to a club radio shack, over wired /
wireless Ethernet operating outside of the amateur bands? Let's assume the
underlying network is provided by a landlord and NAT or an
aggressive firewall is causing issues.
Thanks
Matthew
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:54 AM dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <
44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Tom,
No third party traffic on UK licences. You can communicate only with
Amateurs
Dave
*From:* Tom M0LTE via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:37 AM
*To:* 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
*Subject:* [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi Dave
I have no skin in the game, but I am curious- encryption aside (assume
blocked for purposes of question, regardless of technical feasibility) can
you share please on what basis you reach that conclusion? Purely on the
‘encryption for the purpose of obscuration’ limitation in the licence?
Cheers
Tom
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 at 09:30, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <
44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Matthew,
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit
you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to
Amateurs via RF.
Dave
G4UGM
*From:* Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:02 AM
*To:* 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
*Subject:* [44net] Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi all,
The Terms of Service
<https://www.ardc.net/about/legal/terms-of-service/> states:
*"Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for the
purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other
special uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"*
I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with examples of
acceptable use cases? A few examples that I'm curious if they're permitted
or not:
- Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from the public
internet, including from non radio amateurs.
- Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs
connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated
amateur radio frequencies
- Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as an IRC server
for discussing cars, but it's *only *reachable from other 44net
addresses and RF users
- Providing general outbound internet access to servers and services
that might need to pull software updates from non-radio amateur servers.
- Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related server such as a
DMR Master, to other radio amateur related servers *outside* of 44net
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Matthew
2E0SIP
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