4 Dec
2021
4 Dec
'21
1:54 a.m.
All of what I just said, I don't mean to say I support encryption over
the air or not. I really don't have an opinion either way. Just since
that's the law, reasonable efforts have to be made.
Sincerely,
Keaton VE5LPL
A Saskatchewian ham who does stuff and things
https://kagl.me me(a)kagl.me
On 2021-12-03 12:47 p.m., Tim Požar via 44Net wrote:
Believe me... I would love to see encryption allowed.
You are right
that most IP traffic is wrapped in some sort of encryption such as TLS.
Encryption is not only used to "obscure" traffic, but as a mechanism to
authenticate end-to-end paths.
Tim
On 12/3/21 10:42 AM, Tim Požar via 44Net wrote:
There have been two attempts to get the FCC to
allow encryption in
Part 97. RM-11699 in 2013 and RM-11831 in 2019. Both have been
dismissed by the FCC. Please read these petitions and you will see
that encryption is not allowed.
Tim
On 12/3/21 10:32 AM, Dave Gingrich via 44Net wrote:
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That is referencing phone ops, transmitting music, and coded words to
hide meaning. It certainly does not include encryption, using
standards based tools, such as SSH or SSL. I was using those methods
over the radio in the 1990s. IOW, that whole paragraph speaks to the
purpose of the transmission, not the traffic it generates.
It will be near impossible to establish any type of network today,
that does not carry traffic that is not encrypted in some fashion.
If that is a requirement, we'd best just give up and shut off our
radios.
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https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:50, Tim Požar
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Please refer to § 97.113(a)(4) Prohibited transmissions...
(4) [...] messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their
meaning, except as otherwise provided herein [...]
Tim
On 12/3/21 9:45 AM, Dave Gingrich via 44Net wrote:
> Please point out where the "the USA encryption restriction” over
> radio links, is documented. After all, D-Star radios use a
> proprietary codec. Heck even if you access https://ampr.org/ over
> a radio link, the connection is SSL encrypted, as are nearly all
> web sites in the world.
> Encryption over RF links has not been illegal for years, at least
> in .US. I can’t speak for other jurisdictions.
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> Dave K9DC
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:23, air gapped via 44Net
>> <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
>>
>> Something to keep in mind: the USA encryption restriction only
>> applies to traffic going over the air.
>> Networks can and do have encryption as long as relay over air has
>> information in the clear.
>>
>> Adam Lewis
>> KC7GDY
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