All of what I just said, I don't mean to say I support encryption over the air or not. I really don't have an opinion either way. Just since that's the law, reasonable efforts have to be made.
Sincerely, Keaton VE5LPL A Saskatchewian ham who does stuff and things https://kagl.me me@kagl.me On 2021-12-03 12:47 p.m., Tim Požar via 44Net wrote:
Believe me... I would love to see encryption allowed. You are right that most IP traffic is wrapped in some sort of encryption such as TLS. Encryption is not only used to "obscure" traffic, but as a mechanism to authenticate end-to-end paths.
Tim
On 12/3/21 10:42 AM, Tim Požar via 44Net wrote:
There have been two attempts to get the FCC to allow encryption in Part 97. RM-11699 in 2013 and RM-11831 in 2019. Both have been dismissed by the FCC. Please read these petitions and you will see that encryption is not allowed.
Tim
On 12/3/21 10:32 AM, Dave Gingrich via 44Net wrote:
That is referencing phone ops, transmitting music, and coded words to hide meaning. It certainly does not include encryption, using standards based tools, such as SSH or SSL. I was using those methods over the radio in the 1990s. IOW, that whole paragraph speaks to the purpose of the transmission, not the traffic it generates.
It will be near impossible to establish any type of network today, that does not carry traffic that is not encrypted in some fashion. If that is a requirement, we'd best just give up and shut off our radios.
— Dave K9DC
On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:50, Tim Požar pozar@lns.com wrote:
Please refer to § 97.113(a)(4) Prohibited transmissions...
(4) [...] messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein [...]
Tim
On 12/3/21 9:45 AM, Dave Gingrich via 44Net wrote:
Please point out where the "the USA encryption restriction” over radio links, is documented. After all, D-Star radios use a proprietary codec. Heck even if you access https://ampr.org/ over a radio link, the connection is SSL encrypted, as are nearly all web sites in the world. Encryption over RF links has not been illegal for years, at least in .US. I can’t speak for other jurisdictions. — Dave K9DC
On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:23, air gapped via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Something to keep in mind: the USA encryption restriction only applies to traffic going over the air. Networks can and do have encryption as long as relay over air has information in the clear.
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