22 Apr
2022
22 Apr
'22
11:50 a.m.
Mailman /email is preferred here too. I am glad the new mailman web
interface has a way to search the archives. That was lacking in the
previous version.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 11:45 AM Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV via 44net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Y'all, thank you so much for this discussion. It's really helpful to
read your thoughts. It seems that the group is heavily weighted towards
using Groups.io. I also see the comments re: sticking with Mailman,
which is is totally an option.
As Chris has mentioned, the hesitation to using them boils down to it
being a hosted (vs. self-hosted) service. We're going to read the terms
of service and see if there's anything in there we object to. Here they
are in case others are interested:
https://groups.io/static/tos
We definitely wish to use some kind of forum service for the grantmaking
side of the house, and I love the idea of both 44net users and grantees
being able to co-mingle if they like.
Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV
Executive Director
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)
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On 4/22/22 9:15 AM, Mark Stevenson via 44net wrote:
My 2-pence…
I have used groups.io <http://groups.io> for a long time and see no
reason why we shouldn’t continue using it.
Sometimes, paying for something offers guarantees and SLAs you just
won’t get out of ‘doing it yourself’ and it makes sense to bite the
bullet and leave someone else manage the infrastructure.
The cloud is just someone else’s server… that’s it… a marketing term to
give something lesser technical people could understand when explaining
the internet.
I didn’t think this group would have the same preconceptions of the
internet other groups do 😂 but we are radio amateurs first and foremost.
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 17:05, Chris Smith via 44net
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Well, there are some interesting comments. One being the cost of
service. If you look at the discourse link, right away it says it
is $100 per month, so it is not free.
That's for the hosted version. The software itself is open source
and you can host it yourself at no cost.
And if they were to decide this group was a business then it is
$300 per month. Still not free. Trying to find pricing
forgroups.io <http://groups.io/>shows starting at $20 per month
for up to 500 members. I don't have any idea how many members
there may be to this group.
Just under 1,000 members. groups.io <http://groups.io> do an
enterprise edition for $200/month but they discount this by 50% to
non-profits.
A few have said they don't want anything that is "cloud based".
Anything you get from the internet is "cloud based" one way or
another.
Indeed, “cloud based” just means it’s on a server in a datacenter
when you boil it down. “Cloud” is more of a marketing term than a
technical term.
A few years ago when most of the groups were jumping from Yahoo
some of the groups talked about google. That is probably one of
the worst places to go to. I, along with several others in several
groups said if they went to google we would drop out. That hasn't
changed for me. Trust google for much of anything? Good luck with
that.
+1 Google is definitely NOT the way to go IMO.
A bit of my experience withgroups.io <http://groups.io/>. For
those who like the digest, it works, for those who like to get
email, it works, for those who just want to look at the messages
in the group, it works. It works well for archive and searching. A
couple of other good features, it allows an email receiver to
limit attachment size (for those inconsiderate people who think
they have to send an image that is 10 megs and larger) so instead
it sends a link for the attachment. Also, if a user is no longer
interested in getting email about a subject, it allows that user
to mute the subject, which means they don't get any more emails
about it. Since I don't manage any groups, I'm sure there are
several management tools available to manage the group.
I’ve been using groups.io <http://groups.io> practically since it
began, I manage several groups and have contributed to their beta
programme. I have made several suggestions for improvements, most of
which they have implemented. They are very open to suggestions for
improvements and seem keen to keep their customer base happy. It’s
not open source, which is a shame, but it is by far the best option,
hands down, IMHO.
Now if someone fancies writing an open source clone of groups.io
<http://groups.io> they would be on to a winner!
if we are going to move from a plain text mailing list, I would vote
groups.io <http://groups.io> - apart from the “not open source” and
the price tag (which ARDC can easily afford) it has no other
negatives that I can think of.
Chris - G1FEF
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