14 Jun
2024
14 Jun
'24
8:35 a.m.
Your explanation / desire for delegation sounds perfect to me. It
ensures that the trustee has authorized usage of the call sign, but
doesn't burden them with additional work if they can find someone else
to do the work.
There was a separate comment from Eric AE0JE, commenting that a lot of
trustees don't have the technical chops for this. I see his concern, but
could it be mitigated with the following?
ARDC could provide a call sign authority delegation PDF file that can be
filled out and signed by the club call sign trustee. This document would
state that a particular person is the designated ARDC delegate for the
club and is authorized to utilize the club call sign in the ARDC related
systems. This would then be submitted back into the portal as a scan /
upload by the ARDC delegate. Call it a Call Sign LOA, similar to the
routing LOAs we use to delegate portions of BGP allocations and assure
the appropriate parties that the usage is approved.
What do you think Eric?
I hope this is helpful.
73
Bill Buhler - AF7SJ
Of course this is also only necessary for a group.
On 6/13/2024 5:34 PM, Dan Cross via 44net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 6:03 PM Bill Buhler via
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Thanks Dan,
You've expressed my concern extremely well.
Thanks, Bill. That's very kind of you to say.
I suspect there are many
clubs, and will be many more that will desire a 44net allocation /
callsign.ampr.org subdomain.
Indeed. I'm surprised this hasn't come up already, honestly. AMPRNet
is a bit of an undiscovered jewel in that regard, and could probably
use some advertising; I wonder if someone would consider writing an
article for QST or RADCOM or a similar publication to get some
exposure.
Once suggestion, since club callsigns are
managed by a club trustee, should that be the designated POC for these
relationships?
This is just my opinion, but I think the short answer is "yes, but
with delegation authority."
In my club, for instance, I've been the one pushing the idea of
getting an allocation; I pitched it at the last meeting and got told,
"great; go off and do it!" I did confirm with the callsign trustee
that he was ok with me acting on the club's behalf, under the club's
callsign, for this purpose. Further, he's perfectly willing to give me
documentation of some kind or another that would make it clear that
the club has authorized me to act on its behalf. But I also kind of
got the impression that, since I'm the one singing AMPRNet's praises,
it would be much preferred if I were the person doing the actual
legwork. That is, I don't think other folks in the club want to spend
a lot of time creating accounts on the portal, etc; they'd just prefer
that I do that on the club's behalf. So while everything I'm doing is
on the up-and-up, the largesse of the club (and the other members'
time) only extends so far.
I imagine that sort of situation is pretty common: someone gets
excited about doing something cool with AMPRNet, and gets their club
to give the go ahead, but with the caveat that they do the work.
Forcing that onto the trustee may prove to be a limiting factor in
that regard.
Again, this could all be helped with some support in the portal, but
before that, we need a clear policy. And hopefully it will have some
community input.
- Dan C.
On 6/13/2024 2:40 PM, Dan Cross via 44net
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On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 4:31 PM Rosy Schechter -
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[snip]
* We are in fact coming out with a policy re: subdomains, and it will
likely be as described in the email sent out earlier this week.
In this case, I'd like to reiterate my request that this policy
formally take into account non-individual organizations such as
amateur radio clubs. These organizations can be, and often are,
assigned call signs by various licensing authorities (for example, the
Boston Amateur Radio Club, BARC, has been assigned W1BOS in the US by
the FCC: https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=781017).
And while certain individuals may be designated by those organizations
to liaise with e.g. ARDC for requesting IP address allocations an so
on, the organizations themselves are not individuals, and right now
there's a gap in the policy and infrastructure spaces for how such
things are handled. I know this was not an envisioned use case, but it
_is_ something that is going to come up.
- Dan C.
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