9 Nov
2018
9 Nov
'18
11:30 p.m.
How does it work, for example, if someone happens to have a business grade
ISP circuit, BGP, and would like to advertise out a portion of the 44/8 to
the public internet. What organization (HAM organization) does that go
through, can a form be filled out to get a /29 of something out of that /8
for of course the purpose of HAM.
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:23 AM Mike Vespoli <mvespoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Addresses are both valuable and worthless. They have a incalculable value
> to the AMPR community. 95% or more of the users of this group will never
> get a chance to actually have a chance to get access to a block of public
> addresses to play with and learn. Sure selling access to the IP addresses
> (there would not be a way to lease properly Amazon or Googe would NEVER
> give them back, and ultimately lawyer up and stop paying the group.) Plus
> wouldn't that invalidate the charter or this whole thing were it is to be
> used for non-commercial purposes??? I would say if we open that box it
> will start the clock to where we loose this whole thing.
>
> I say leave it as is... This is just like RF spectrum. we are granted use
> of our little slice and would never think of giving that up... Why would
> we think of doing the same here.
>
> Also. Anyone who wants server space or a place to land thier addresses I
> have plenty of free space available (physical and virtual) in my Denver
> Data Center.... Only for AMPR/Hams.... Just message me and we can work
> something out..
>
> Mike Vespoli
> KE0HFH
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:48 AM Lin Holcomb <LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > What I am getting at is this is millions of dollars worth of IP real
> > estate. There are no rules defining how it is to be used other than self
> > imposed rules.
> > As the market seems to be at a peek I think it is worth discussion to
> lease
> > addresses to some major player like Google or Amazon in exchange for POP
> > access, funding of an endowment for future research, hardware, ect. What
> > is the value of lets say 2 million contiguous addresses on the open
> market?
> >
> > Lin N4YCI
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:32 AM Mark Phillips <g7ltt(a)g7ltt.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the
space"
> > >
> > > This has been happening for quite some time. When I first arrived in
> > > America some 20 years ago to work for NASDAQ I discovered that their
> test
> > > network was using the 44/8 series of IP's. I flagged this up at the
> time
> > o
> > > this list. Luckily for us they are using it as a private point to point
> > > network.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > G7LTT/NI2O
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:58 AM Lin Holcomb <
> > LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the space.
> > > This
> > > > has already occurred on a small scale. It takes money to defend
> patents
> > > it
> > > > talks money to operate 16m addresses.
> > > >
> > > > I was just suggesting lease a few blocks to have income to further
> the
> > > use
> > > > by hams, provide capital to provide low cost pops and have additional
> > > > access points in the event the deal at UCSD ever goes away. Do this
> > while
> > > > the price is high to form an endowment to run the technology in the
> > > future.
> > > > Lin
> > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 6:10 AM Tony Ellis
<tonyellis3.te(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > IPv6 is already here. My mobile phone is dual stack, IPv4 and
> IPv6,
> > it
> > > > > will continue to grow and like everything, it is just a matter
of
> > time.
> > > > > Some of my ISP's are dual stacked, etc. Will IPv4 go away,
my best
> > > guess
> > > > > is 2090....???
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM Neil Johnson <
> > neil.johnson(a)erudicon.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18407173
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note: I'm NOT advocating anything like that for
44.0.0.0/8.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's just going to be fun to watch the market for IPv4
address
> > space
> > > > boom
> > > > > > and then bust when IPv6 adoption finally reaches critical
mass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Neil, N0SFH
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Neil Johnson
> > > > > >