On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 4:34 PM Chris chris@ardc.net wrote:
On 8 Jul 2024, at 21:28, Dan Cross crossd@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 4:21 PM Chris chris@ardc.net wrote:
Hi Dan,
Just to correct a misconception:
On 8 Jul 2024, at 20:45, Dan Cross via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote: : 7. I know that plans are underway to deprecate the tunnel infrastructure and replace it with a set of VPNs that are independently peered with the Internet at large (at least, as I understand it). I think it would be helpful to publicly commit to a transition plan for this, including a public test period, a defined set of go/no-go criteria, and a plan for a rollback if it doesn't go well. In general, commit to involving the community early for any large-scale infrastructure projects ARDC takes on in the future.
Plans are not underway to deprecate the IPIP mesh tunnel infrastructure.
Yes, ARDC are developing POPs that utilise VPN technology, and if all goes well I am sure that some users of the IPIP tunnels will likely migrate to the POPs, also newcomers to 44Net will find the POPs a much easier on-ramp than the IPIP system, so IPIP use may well reduce over time. To re-iterate ARDC have no plans to deprecate the IPIP infrastructure, ARDC will continue to support its use for as long as the membership is using it.
Thanks for the correction, Chris, and apologies for spreading misinformation.
I was under the understanding, however, that the intent is to turn down AMPRGW at some point;
Not that I am aware of.
In ticket 2787 you told me that the gateway _server_ is being deprecated; I imagine I misinterpreted that to mean the gateway _service_. However, in light of what you wrote above, I can interpret this one of two other ways: a) the physical server is being deprecated and replaced, or b) the existing AMPRGW software is being replaced (or there are plans to replace it). It would be good to have a solid understanding of what the actual plan is.
This is an illustrative example of why, IMHO, it's better to have technical discussions in the open.
- Dan C.