17 May
2024
17 May
'24
12:28 a.m.
The FCC / hard copy situation is a bit ironic as the FCC in the US
also stopped issuing paper printouts. Instead, you get an official PDF
from their website, but it is easily faked.
I have a stack of watermarked green security paper I've been using to
print my licenses on.
Happy to run some official-looking prints for local hams if anybody is
interested.
The license validation process is indeed a bit broken these days.
Ideally, the issuing authorities should also be minting a digital
certificate with your license details, the private key to which you
could keep private. This could then be used online for mutual TLS and
automated validation of a license-holder's status.
A cryptography geek can dream....
Cheers,
jof
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 10:07, Cliff Sojourner via 44net
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From the US, minor point: the PDF from the FCC is not signed, so is easily edited...
Which I have done, for comedic effect, only sharing among friends. Ha ha.
the FCC ULS database is the hard reference. A copy is available via xml subscription on
qrz.com. so that's what ARDC uses?
The California state department of motor vehicle license issue requires a hard copy,
printed. They can not use the online FCC database access. Trying to get an amateur call
sign license plate, I ran the issue all the way through the DMV state office, even with my
legislator's attention, they are unwilling / unable to budge.
Tldr: it's a mess!
Cliff K6CLS CM87
On May 16, 2024 1:54:11 AM PDT, "dave.g4ugm--- via 44net"
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I don’t believe we have had paper licences in the UK for 20 years now. I have an account
on the OFCOM, so the “Quasi-Autonomous Government Body” (QUANGO) web site.
This allows me to download a PDF of my licence, which includes my call sign, licence
class and both a station address and a postal address.
I checked and the PDF is not secured in any way. So is open to tampering.
I also hold a Spanish Licence, EA7KAE, and for this I have a word document, which again
appears to be totally unsecured.
They also supply a printable ID card embedded in the word document.
In both cases the licences do not have an expiry date.
Dave
From: Peter Hannay via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 5:39 AM
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
Subject: [44net] Re: Level of Trust Expiration?
Just a quick correction to the below, ACMA does indeed still manage call signs, they
don't manage licences for individual amateurs though.
The call sign register is here: https://www.acma.gov.au/call-signs
I'm not sure how we can prove ownership of a particular call sign anymore though.
How is this currently handled in the UK? I believe they currently have a similar system
to Australia.
Cheers
Peter VK6HAX
On Thu, 16 May 2024, 8:00 am Stuart Longland VK4MSL via 44net,
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On 16/5/24 00:07, Razvan via 44net wrote:
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Email, Mobile, Address) and
I'm totaling 45 points.
From what I see on my end they are expiring exactly 1 year after they
were initially verified.
Worth noting here… call-sign verification is going to get more difficult
for some of us in the future. Here in Australia, amateur radio recently
moved (for better or worse) to a class-licensing system wherein the ACMA
no longer manages the assignment of call-signs.
(Prior to this, it was officially under an apparatus-license scheme, but
was effectively policed like a class-license.)
This means that over time, call-signs will disappear from the ACMA
database. They also haven't issued paper licenses in some 8 years or
so. I managed to fish out what will possibly be my last ACMA-issued
license prior to the class license taking effect earlier this year.
There's debate as to whether the ACMA should continue to keep that
information, or whether another body (e.g. the WIA) manage that.
So procedures in this space will likely need to be amended over the
coming months.
Regards,
--
Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL)
I haven't lost my mind...
...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.
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