28 Jul
2021
28 Jul
'21
8:16 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: 44Net <44net-bounces+dave.g4ugm=gmail.com(a)mailman.ampr.org>
On Behalf Of Antonios Chariton (daknob) via 44Net
Sent: 28 July 2021 12:19
To: 44Net general discussion <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
Cc: Antonios Chariton (daknob) <daknob(a)daknob.net>
Subject: Re: [44net] A new era of IPv4 Allocations
Hello, thank you for your comment. Please see my reply below:
No it doesn't. In the UK NO ISP (That I know of) provides a router which such supports
this. The main ISPs so British Telecom, Virgin, Plusnet, TalkTalk and Sky all supply
customised "own brand" routers.
These remove the ability to add static routes to the table. I ran into this issue a long
time ago as I run a Token Ring network for some vintage equipment and ended up buying a
Draytek router to fix the problem.
Those wanting to participate in IP over Radio need to be involved and understand what they
are doing.
I personally deplore this modern dumbing down, point and click operation. Radio should be
about technical exploration.
If you want to be involved in Amateur Radio Networking then you should have the
appropriate equipment and know how it works.
Dave
G4UGM
On 28 Jul 2021, at 12:57, g4ugm via 44Net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
wrote:
Fellow Hams,
I don't see how this helps amateurs with ISP provided routers. All the ones
I
have encountered supply a single gateway via DHCP and do not permit
additional routing options.
So anything on the routers ring fenced LAN will
route any "routable"
packet, and all packets starting 44.x.x.x are
routable to the ISPs router.
So if you start splitting the 44 range then you
are you going to have to
manually add routing entries to each device on your
network?
Surely routing should be done in a router not spread round individual
devices?
If you want to get involved in networking you should get a decent router.
Dave
G4UGM
Currently the people that reached out told us that their routers support static
routing. It could be limited, e.g. 8 or 32 entry limit, but they support it. For
reference, they are FritzBox, ZTE, TP-Link, etc. By splitting the space they can
add a single entry, 44.128/10 to their radio or to their Raspberry Pi VPN server
and keep the rest of the traffic to their ISP’s default gateway.
It is entirely possible that some routers will not support static routing at all. I
can imagine this could be the case for similar models. If they do not have this
capability, then unfortunately there’s nothing we can do with this equipment
to provide access to 44.128/10. However, since 44.0/10 is on the Internet,
users can still access this network just fine.
Users that fall under this category will probably have to have a VPN set up on
their devices or opt-in for a better router. The reason the split is still
beneficial is that although we can’t support these users due to technical
limitations, we can at least support all the others whose equipment supports
the configuration of static routes.
I hope this addresses your concerns.
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