-----Original Message----- From: 44Net 44net-bounces+dave.g4ugm=gmail.com@mailman.ampr.org On Behalf Of Antonios Chariton (daknob) via 44Net Sent: 28 July 2021 12:19 To: 44Net general discussion 44net@mailman.ampr.org Cc: Antonios Chariton (daknob) daknob@daknob.net Subject: Re: [44net] A new era of IPv4 Allocations
Hello, thank you for your comment. Please see my reply below:
On 28 Jul 2021, at 12:57, g4ugm via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org
wrote:
Fellow Hams,
I don't see how this helps amateurs with ISP provided routers. All the ones
I have encountered supply a single gateway via DHCP and do not permit additional routing options.
So anything on the routers ring fenced LAN will route any "routable"
packet, and all packets starting 44.x.x.x are routable to the ISPs router.
So if you start splitting the 44 range then you are you going to have to
manually add routing entries to each device on your network?
Surely routing should be done in a router not spread round individual
devices?
If you want to get involved in networking you should get a decent router.
Dave G4UGM
Currently the people that reached out told us that their routers support static routing. It could be limited, e.g. 8 or 32 entry limit, but they support it. For reference, they are FritzBox, ZTE, TP-Link, etc. By splitting the space they can add a single entry, 44.128/10 to their radio or to their Raspberry Pi VPN server and keep the rest of the traffic to their ISP’s default gateway.
It is entirely possible that some routers will not support static routing at all. I can imagine this could be the case for similar models. If they do not have this capability, then unfortunately there’s nothing we can do with this equipment to provide access to 44.128/10. However, since 44.0/10 is on the Internet, users can still access this network just fine.
Users that fall under this category will probably have to have a VPN set up on their devices or opt-in for a better router. The reason the split is still beneficial is that although we can’t support these users due to technical limitations, we can at least support all the others whose equipment supports the configuration of static routes.
I hope this addresses your concerns.
Antonis
No it doesn't. In the UK NO ISP (That I know of) provides a router which such supports this. The main ISPs so British Telecom, Virgin, Plusnet, TalkTalk and Sky all supply customised "own brand" routers. These remove the ability to add static routes to the table. I ran into this issue a long time ago as I run a Token Ring network for some vintage equipment and ended up buying a Draytek router to fix the problem. Those wanting to participate in IP over Radio need to be involved and understand what they are doing. I personally deplore this modern dumbing down, point and click operation. Radio should be about technical exploration. If you want to be involved in Amateur Radio Networking then you should have the appropriate equipment and know how it works.
Dave G4UGM
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