27 Sep
2023
27 Sep
'23
4:11 a.m.
Hi all,
Thanks for the speedy responses, very helpful.
> * Providing general outbound internet access for
radio amateurs
connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the
allocated
amateur radio frequencies
Not a good idea - apart from the obvious issue of
accessing HTTPS /
encrypted sites then having that encrypted data transported over
amateur RF
frequencies (which would not be permitted in a lot of countries due to
licence restrictions) there is also the grey area of providing general
internet access to third parties.
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence
does not permit
you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access
to
Amateurs via RF
Yes I didn't really think that one though sorry. I was trying to ask some
broad questions to get a general feel for what's acceptable and didn't
consider UK license conditions.
Slightly different tack in that case, could 44net space be used as the
source IP for general internet access to a club radio shack, over wired /
wireless Ethernet operating outside of the amateur bands? Let's assume the
underlying network is provided by a landlord and NAT or an
aggressive firewall is causing issues.
Thanks
Matthew
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:54 AM dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <
44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Tom,
No third party traffic on UK licences. You can communicate only with
Amateurs
Dave
*From:* Tom M0LTE via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:37 AM
*To:* 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
*Subject:* [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi Dave
I have no skin in the game, but I am curious- encryption aside (assume
blocked for purposes of question, regardless of technical feasibility) can
you share please on what basis you reach that conclusion? Purely on the
‘encryption for the purpose of obscuration’ limitation in the licence?
Cheers
Tom
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 at 09:30, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <
44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Matthew,
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit you
to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs
via RF.
Dave
G4UGM
*From:* Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:02 AM
*To:* 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
*Subject:* [44net] Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi all,
The Terms of Service <https://www.ardc.net/about/legal/terms-of-service/>
states:
*"Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for the
purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other
special uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"*
I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with examples of acceptable
use cases? A few examples that I'm curious if they're permitted or not:
- Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from the public
internet, including from non radio amateurs.
- Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs
connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated
amateur radio frequencies
- Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as an IRC server
for discussing cars, but it's *only *reachable from other 44net
addresses and RF users
- Providing general outbound internet access to servers and services
that might need to pull software updates from non-radio amateur servers.
- Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related server such as a
DMR Master, to other radio amateur related servers *outside* of 44net
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Matthew
2E0SIP
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