22 Apr
2022
22 Apr
'22
10:07 p.m.
I'm also a user and manager of several groups.io lists. While I appreciate the service
and find it well thought-out and designed, I've noticed a steady stream of features
finding themselves behind their paywall, and, in general, it seems some of these
"freemium" services don't have sufficient non-profit / small business
membership tiers -- the pay tiers are simply not affordable for groups with small-to-zero
budgets.
Some of the objections to cloud-hosted solutions in this thread may be related to these
issues.
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73,
Chris KE2A
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association via 44net
wrote:
Well, there are some interesting comments. One being
the cost of service. If you look at the discourse link, right away it says it is $100 per
month, so it is not free. And if they were to decide this group was a business then it is
$300 per month. Still not free. Trying to find pricing for groups.io shows starting at $20
per month for up to 500 members. I don't have any idea how many members there may be
to this group.
A few have said they don't want anything that is "cloud based". Anything
you get from the internet is "cloud based" one way or another.
A few years ago when most of the groups were jumping from Yahoo some of the groups talked
about google. That is probably one of the worst places to go to. I, along with several
others in several groups said if they went to google we would drop out. That hasn't
changed for me. Trust google for much of anything? Good luck with that.
A bit of my experience with groups.io. For those who like the digest, it works, for those
who like to get email, it works, for those who just want to look at the messages in the
group, it works. It works well for archive and searching. A couple of other good features,
it allows an email receiver to limit attachment size (for those inconsiderate people who
think they have to send an image that is 10 megs and larger) so instead it sends a link
for the attachment. Also, if a user is no longer interested in getting email about a
subject, it allows that user to mute the subject, which means they don't get any more
emails about it. Since I don't manage any groups, I'm sure there are several
management tools available to manage the group.
Mick - W7CAT
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From: Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 06:53:23 PM
Subject: [44net] Re: Mailman migration
Hey Jeff,
Great question. As it turns out, we are in fact looking to switch to
Discourse.
https://www.discourse.org/
<http://sykly.smtpclick.com/tracking/qaR9ZGLlBQp5ZmxjZQVjZQR4ZGp2ZPM5qzS4qaR9ZQbjDD>
Curious if folks haved used it and like it.
Rosy
Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV
Executive Director
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)
ampr.org
On 4/21/22 5:44 PM, Jeff Hochberg via 44net wrote:
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Evidently, some of the configurations were
transferred over, but not the
user database. I'm unable to authenticate and, even if I try to perform
password recovery, I get the following message:
"The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account"
Not for anything but why not just switch to something like Google Groups
or Groups.io instead of having someone host a Mailman server?
Jeff Hochberg
W4JEW
Atlanta, GA
jeff(a)w4jew.com
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:03 AM Mike Tindor via 44net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org > wrote:
I too have the same issue with regard to logging in to mailman.
The password reset claims my Gmail address is not a valid user ("
The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account ")
Mike / AA8IA
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:56 AM Jon Anhold > > > wrote:
Looks like this lost my digest preference, and I am unable to
login via the web interface to change it - it says I am not a
user when I try to reset my password.
73 de KM8V
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:51 AM Mike Tindor via 44net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org > wrote:
Looks like there might be a little more to do, with regard
to email reputation.
SPF and DKIM signing fail, and there is a published DMARC
record that quarantines 100% of DMARC failures. So the
list emails are going to end up in spam folders (they ended
up in my Gmail spam folder) because SPF/DKIM/DMARC all failed.
2a0a:bb00:0:44::1d needs added to themailman.ampr.org SPF record
and it appears themailman.ampr.org emails are being signed with anARDC.NET DKIM key
rather than amailman.ampr.org DKIM key
Mike / AA8IA
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:07 AM Chris Smith via 44net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org > wrote:
Hello All,
FYI, we had an issue with the mailing list server last week:
The server the mailing list is hosted on experienced an
unexpected reboot. The server came back up ok and all
the services associated with the mailing list continued
to run, so Nagios (the application we use to monitor our
systems) did not report any issues. However, the sudden
reboot had corrupted several open files associated with
the mailing list software (Mailman 2.1) and the 44net
mailing list was not passing emails. As the list often
goes through quiet periods this was not noticed for
several days.
Unfortunately the backup period for the server was only
set to a few days and by the time the issue was
investigated all the available backups were of the
corrupted files.
As the longer term plan was always to migrate from the
older (now unsupported) Mailman 2.1 to the latest
Mailman 3.1 the decision was taken to migrate the
mailing list to a new server. ARDC already has a Mailman
3 server for some internal mailing lists, so we migrated
the 44net list there.
I am pleased to report that the archives from the old
server were successfully migrated over, so no loss of
data there thankfully.
The web interface for the new home of 44net can be found
here:
https://mailman.ardc.net/mailman3/postorius/lists/44net.mailman.ampr.org/
<http://sykly.smtpclick.com/tracking/qaR9ZGLlBQp5ZmxjZQVjZQR4ZGp2ZPM5qzS4qaR9ZQbkDt>
The MX record has been updated to point to the new
server, so you should continue to send emails to
44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
to post to the list.
I want to take this opportunity to thank John - KI5D for
hosting the mailing list since we had the last big crash
in 2012. The mailman server, with John looking after it
has provided excellent service to the community. John is
going to continue to help out by acting as admin for the
44net mailing list on it’s new home.
Best 73,
Chris - G1FEF
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