9 Nov
2018
9 Nov
'18
10:47 a.m.
Most carriers won’t accept a BGP announcement for anything under a /24. If you want to get
a amprnet /24 and announce it, there’s forms on the ampr.org portal that Brian has to sign
off for the LOA.
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> On Nov 9, 2018, at 8:30 AM, Tony Ellis <tonyellis3.te(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How does it work, for example, if someone happens to have a business grade
> ISP circuit, BGP, and would like to advertise out a portion of the 44/8 to
> the public internet. What organization (HAM organization) does that go
> through, can a form be filled out to get a /29 of something out of that /8
> for of course the purpose of HAM.
>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:23 AM Mike Vespoli <mvespoli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Addresses are both valuable and worthless. They have a incalculable value
>> to the AMPR community. 95% or more of the users of this group will never
>> get a chance to actually have a chance to get access to a block of public
>> addresses to play with and learn. Sure selling access to the IP addresses
>> (there would not be a way to lease properly Amazon or Googe would NEVER
>> give them back, and ultimately lawyer up and stop paying the group.) Plus
>> wouldn't that invalidate the charter or this whole thing were it is to be
>> used for non-commercial purposes??? I would say if we open that box it
>> will start the clock to where we loose this whole thing.
>>
>> I say leave it as is... This is just like RF spectrum. we are granted use
>> of our little slice and would never think of giving that up... Why would
>> we think of doing the same here.
>>
>> Also. Anyone who wants server space or a place to land thier addresses I
>> have plenty of free space available (physical and virtual) in my Denver
>> Data Center.... Only for AMPR/Hams.... Just message me and we can work
>> something out..
>>
>> Mike Vespoli
>> KE0HFH
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:48 AM Lin Holcomb <LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What I am getting at is this is millions of dollars worth of IP real
>>> estate. There are no rules defining how it is to be used other than self
>>> imposed rules.
>>> As the market seems to be at a peek I think it is worth discussion to
>> lease
>>> addresses to some major player like Google or Amazon in exchange for POP
>>> access, funding of an endowment for future research, hardware, ect. What
>>> is the value of lets say 2 million contiguous addresses on the open
>> market?
>>>
>>> Lin N4YCI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:32 AM Mark Phillips <g7ltt(a)g7ltt.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the
space"
>>>>
>>>> This has been happening for quite some time. When I first arrived in
>>>> America some 20 years ago to work for NASDAQ I discovered that their
>> test
>>>> network was using the 44/8 series of IP's. I flagged this up at the
>> time
>>> o
>>>> this list. Luckily for us they are using it as a private point to point
>>>> network.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> G7LTT/NI2O
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:58 AM Lin Holcomb <
>>> LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the
space.
>>>> This
>>>>> has already occurred on a small scale. It takes money to defend
>> patents
>>>> it
>>>>> talks money to operate 16m addresses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just suggesting lease a few blocks to have income to further
>> the
>>>> use
>>>>> by hams, provide capital to provide low cost pops and have
additional
>>>>> access points in the event the deal at UCSD ever goes away. Do this
>>> while
>>>>> the price is high to form an endowment to run the technology in the
>>>> future.
>>>>> Lin
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 6:10 AM Tony Ellis
<tonyellis3.te(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IPv6 is already here. My mobile phone is dual stack, IPv4 and
>> IPv6,
>>> it
>>>>>> will continue to grow and like everything, it is just a matter
of
>>> time.
>>>>>> Some of my ISP's are dual stacked, etc. Will IPv4 go away,
my best
>>>> guess
>>>>>> is 2090....???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM Neil Johnson <
>>> neil.johnson(a)erudicon.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18407173
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: I'm NOT advocating anything like that for
44.0.0.0/8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just going to be fun to watch the market for IPv4
address
>>> space
>>>>> boom
>>>>>>> and then bust when IPv6 adoption finally reaches critical
mass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Neil, N0SFH
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Neil Johnson
>>>>>>>