Hello 44Net,
As part of our 44Net assessment project, we're putting together a couple of focus groups. These discussions are really helpful for going deeper into some of the ideas presented in the survey. After all, no questionnaire can ever replace real dialogue.
A few weeks ago, we had a focus group dedicated to regional coordinators. Thank you Marius Petrescu YO2LOG, David Ranch KI6ZHD, and Gabriel Medinas YV5KXE for showing up! Despite the small turnout, we had some important discussion – about the need for greater transparency around decisions related to the address space, the need for making 44Net easier to use, and the ways that regional coordinators want to help and be a part of the discussion. The idea of PoPs came up as well, as well as thoughts about the portal and much more.
In service of transparency and open dialogue, I encourage you, particularly if you are a Regional Coordinator, to review the notes from the meeting:
https://www.ampr.org/wp-content/uploads/2022-08-regional-coordinators-focus-...
Questions for all, but regional coordinators in particular: what do you think about the challenges / solutions presented? Is there something you'd like to see addressed or added that's not listed? Please share your thoughts on the list.
If you'd like to be a part of the next focus group, happening on Sept. 23 and for more general 44net users, please get in touch with Merideth, cc'd. She can add you to the participant list.
Some of you may also be wondering what's going on with the data and information from the survey. We're in the process of cleaning up the data (e.g. removing personally identifiable information, codifying text based responses). We'll let you know when we plan to have a report ready; we're solidifying those details now. Thanks for your patience.
I will be out of the office for a few days, but John Hays K7VE – ARDC staff and a regional coordinator for Western Washington – is on hand to answer questions that may come up. I look forward to jumping back in when I return next week.
Many thanks and all the best, Rosy
Thanks for the emal update.
I would like to sit in on the next foucus group related to Amprnet.
73 Mathison Kj6dzb VP UC Berkeley ARC W6BB Texhnical Specialist East Bay ARRL Section
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 3:33 PM Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hello 44Net,
As part of our 44Net assessment project, we're putting together a couple of focus groups. These discussions are really helpful for going deeper into some of the ideas presented in the survey. After all, no questionnaire can ever replace real dialogue.
A few weeks ago, we had a focus group dedicated to regional coordinators. Thank you Marius Petrescu YO2LOG, David Ranch KI6ZHD, and Gabriel Medinas YV5KXE for showing up! Despite the small turnout, we had some important discussion – about the need for greater transparency around decisions related to the address space, the need for making 44Net easier to use, and the ways that regional coordinators want to help and be a part of the discussion. The idea of PoPs came up as well, as well as thoughts about the portal and much more.
In service of transparency and open dialogue, I encourage you, particularly if you are a Regional Coordinator, to review the notes from the meeting:
https://www.ampr.org/wp-content/uploads/2022-08-regional-coordinators-focus-...
Questions for all, but regional coordinators in particular: what do you think about the challenges / solutions presented? Is there something you'd like to see addressed or added that's not listed? Please share your thoughts on the list.
If you'd like to be a part of the next focus group, happening on Sept. 23 and for more general 44net users, please get in touch with Merideth, cc'd. She can add you to the participant list.
Some of you may also be wondering what's going on with the data and information from the survey. We're in the process of cleaning up the data (e.g. removing personally identifiable information, codifying text based responses). We'll let you know when we plan to have a report ready; we're solidifying those details now. Thanks for your patience.
I will be out of the office for a few days, but John Hays K7VE – ARDC staff and a regional coordinator for Western Washington – is on hand to answer questions that may come up. I look forward to jumping back in when I return next week.
Many thanks and all the best, Rosy
-- Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV Executive Director Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net@mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org
Hello,
the way to get current (BGP) IP range works for me. It takes a maximum of one month for validation depending on Chris's availability, there is no urgency anyway.
So no comments for me.
Best regards, Ludovic Vuillermet - F5PBG (Coord. 44.151)
Hi all,
Just a note, since I didn't see anything on the list - thanks to everyone who responded via direct message. As far as I can tell, everyone who wants to be invited to a focus group has been invited. Please reach out to merideth@ardc.net at any time if you would like to participate. It is scheduled for Friday Sept. 23 at 15:00 UTC.
Looking forward, Rosy
Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV Executive Director Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org
Hi Rosy, et. al.,
One of the concerns raised in the slides was:
“Applications (ie: web browsing, Jitsi video conference) are rapidly going to a trusted security model with encryption required & on-by-default; this makes operating an “encryption free” network difficult”
Another potential idea for the POP approach would be that you could terminate TLS (aka crack encryption), potentially using a 44net specific PKI, then make a feed of all the traffic openly available. I feel like that could meet the intent of the FCC rules.
73s, Jack Hamm, WV6L
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 3:33 PM Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hello 44Net,
As part of our 44Net assessment project, we're putting together a couple of focus groups. These discussions are really helpful for going deeper into some of the ideas presented in the survey. After all, no questionnaire can ever replace real dialogue.
A few weeks ago, we had a focus group dedicated to regional coordinators. Thank you Marius Petrescu YO2LOG, David Ranch KI6ZHD, and Gabriel Medinas YV5KXE for showing up! Despite the small turnout, we had some important discussion – about the need for greater transparency around decisions related to the address space, the need for making 44Net easier to use, and the ways that regional coordinators want to help and be a part of the discussion. The idea of PoPs came up as well, as well as thoughts about the portal and much more.
In service of transparency and open dialogue, I encourage you, particularly if you are a Regional Coordinator, to review the notes from the meeting:
https://www.ampr.org/wp-content/uploads/2022-08-regional-coordinators-focus-...
Questions for all, but regional coordinators in particular: what do you think about the challenges / solutions presented? Is there something you'd like to see addressed or added that's not listed? Please share your thoughts on the list.
If you'd like to be a part of the next focus group, happening on Sept. 23 and for more general 44net users, please get in touch with Merideth, cc'd. She can add you to the participant list.
Some of you may also be wondering what's going on with the data and information from the survey. We're in the process of cleaning up the data (e.g. removing personally identifiable information, codifying text based responses). We'll let you know when we plan to have a report ready; we're solidifying those details now. Thanks for your patience.
I will be out of the office for a few days, but John Hays K7VE – ARDC staff and a regional coordinator for Western Washington – is on hand to answer questions that may come up. I look forward to jumping back in when I return next week.
Many thanks and all the best, Rosy
-- Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV Executive Director Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net@mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org
I apologize for butting in. I saw this in my email and thought maybe I could contribute to the conversation a bit.
In regards to the POPs, may I suggest you set these up at IXs. Maybe Any2 in Los Angeles, Equinix in NY and another in central US. Also look at D6 in amsterdam. You mayyyyyy be able to get cheap or perhaps free peering by nature of the non-profit status. Putting your POP at an IX will set you up for free peering with pretty much every ISP (that matters) in the world + many large corporations, which will put it closer to the users and result in lower latency and better QoS for everyone. Also better redundancy because most ISPs are at multiple IXs so if one side goes down you still have access over the other.
But, POPs are isolated and so there will be a need for transit between IXs. This will be a cost for P2P links, which are not necessarily expensive and can certainly be negotiated down on the non-profit venture, but also at the same time you may be able to setup free transit through the connected participants. I would at least explore this if budget is a concern. You could use VyOS routers, open source, very stable and fast as the hardware you load it on.
And finally for the encryption issue, many school districts will decrypt traffic at the edge in order to inspect it. Squid is an open source proxy that can do this. The end-user is presented a certificate of the org (which is loaded in Squid). This could potentially allow you to remove the encrypted traffic from the net if you put it at the Internet gateways and peering points, but it will be complicated to setup. Totally doable and will need ongoing tweaking as new participants come online but still doable.
I was not at the meeting so I apologize if this was already brought up as a possible solution.
Thank you,
Barry Bahrami KN6MVB
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 8:48 AM Jack Hamm via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Hi Rosy, et. al.,
One of the concerns raised in the slides was:
“Applications (ie: web browsing, Jitsi video conference) are rapidly going to a trusted security model with encryption required & on-by-default; this makes operating an “encryption free” network difficult”
Another potential idea for the POP approach would be that you could terminate TLS (aka crack encryption), potentially using a 44net specific PKI, then make a feed of all the traffic openly available. I feel like that could meet the intent of the FCC rules.
73s, Jack Hamm, WV6L
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 3:33 PM Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hello 44Net,
As part of our 44Net assessment project, we're putting together a couple of focus groups. These discussions are really helpful for going deeper into some of the ideas presented in the survey. After all, no questionnaire can ever replace real dialogue.
A few weeks ago, we had a focus group dedicated to regional coordinators. Thank you Marius Petrescu YO2LOG, David Ranch KI6ZHD, and Gabriel Medinas YV5KXE for showing up! Despite the small turnout, we had some important discussion – about the need for greater transparency around decisions related to the address space, the need for making 44Net easier to use, and the ways that regional coordinators want to help and be a part of the discussion. The idea of PoPs came up as well, as well as thoughts about the portal and much more.
In service of transparency and open dialogue, I encourage you, particularly if you are a Regional Coordinator, to review the notes from the meeting:
https://www.ampr.org/wp-content/uploads/2022-08-regional-coordinators-focus-...
Questions for all, but regional coordinators in particular: what do you think about the challenges / solutions presented? Is there something you'd like to see addressed or added that's not listed? Please share your thoughts on the list.
If you'd like to be a part of the next focus group, happening on Sept. 23 and for more general 44net users, please get in touch with Merideth, cc'd. She can add you to the participant list.
Some of you may also be wondering what's going on with the data and information from the survey. We're in the process of cleaning up the data (e.g. removing personally identifiable information, codifying text based responses). We'll let you know when we plan to have a report ready; we're solidifying those details now. Thanks for your patience.
I will be out of the office for a few days, but John Hays K7VE – ARDC staff and a regional coordinator for Western Washington – is on hand to answer questions that may come up. I look forward to jumping back in when I return next week.
Many thanks and all the best, Rosy
-- Rosy Schechter - KJ7RYV Executive Director Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net@mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org
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