All,
I think there's big confusion here between what's called in the industry "Settlement Free Peering" and "paid transit services."
Comcast offers "Ethernet Dedicated Internet" service in my area (Washington, DC). They offer: Static IPs, DHCP and a BGP session. In this service, Comcast will not allow the user to BGP to a third party with the intention to use Comcast for carrying the 3rd party's traffic. This is simply called "paid transit service". When we refer to getting a BGP session with another AS for AMPRNet, look for "BGP transit service" plans.
Peering would be considered traffic between Comcast and another large ISP (i.e. the peering agreement would be relevant if e.g. USCD - AS7377, wanted to peer with Comcast). That's called [settlement free] peering (in a Tier 1 ISP's terminiolgy).
About the product: https://business.comcast.com/enterprise/products-services/data-networking/et...
For a list of cities with the product: https://business.comcast.com/enterprise/products-services/data-networking/me...
73,
- Lynwood KB3VWG
As a side note in regards to Comcast and many other ISPs around the globe...
For those who are using the ipip mesh many ISPs prohibit in their router/modem firmware access to the various watchdog timer settings. This actually breaks ipencap because the watchdog timers will kill any encap sockets and prohibit incoming requests to your ipencap IPs.
I wrote a whitepaper on this issue which includes some tests one can run to see if they're (as I call it) bitten by the watchdog and it also offers ways around this. You can read the whitepaper here:
https://uronode.n1uro.com/linux/amprcable.html
I went through a 3 year battle with Comcast on this issue when they kept saying they don't filter ipencap/ip protocol 4 - and it's true they don't. What they don't tell you is that their supplied equipment does. I did get an engineer at Cisco (I had a cisco at the time supplied by Comcast) go through their specification sheet and he did verify that Comcast's specs call for omitting disabling/adjusting the socket watchdog timer in the menu.
Not all deployed Comcast modem/routers have this issue but in time when they do a firmware upgrade on you in the middle of the night you'll think things are broken so if you're not affected now, give it time.
Hi Lynwood,
How I envy you!
Last time I tried to setup a BGP session with a Japanese ISP as an individual, they quoted me a huge fortune for one time setup fee, and 2/3 of for each month. It took them like a month or two to finish the quote, I thought the sales guy might be struggling whether should he be break the news to me. I've contacted a few US providers before, they either do this for free, or a very affordable if the service is available.
73,
Quan, BH1XQV
On 2/26/20 5:02 AM, lleachii--- via 44Net wrote:
All,
I think there's big confusion here between what's called in the industry "Settlement Free Peering" and "paid transit services."
Comcast offers "Ethernet Dedicated Internet" service in my area (Washington, DC). They offer: Static IPs, DHCP and a BGP session. In this service, Comcast will not allow the user to BGP to a third party with the intention to use Comcast for carrying the 3rd party's traffic. This is simply called "paid transit service". When we refer to getting a BGP session with another AS for AMPRNet, look for "BGP transit service" plans.
Peering would be considered traffic between Comcast and another large ISP (i.e. the peering agreement would be relevant if e.g. USCD - AS7377, wanted to peer with Comcast). That's called [settlement free] peering (in a Tier 1 ISP's terminiolgy).
About the product: https://business.comcast.com/enterprise/products-services/data-networking/et...
For a list of cities with the product: https://business.comcast.com/enterprise/products-services/data-networking/me...
73,
- Lynwood
KB3VWG
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