3 Sep
2017
3 Sep
'17
9:05 p.m.
I just spotted this. Here is every US hams chance to make direct
comments to the FCC.
http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-technological-advisory-council-investigating-t…
Steve, KB9MWR
3 Sep
3 Sep
9:15 p.m.
Excellent find Steve.
The one thing I know that we need to request is elimination of symbol-rate
restrictions, to be replaced with bandwidth restrictions.
Anything else?
Michael
N6MEF
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I just spotted this. Here is every US hams chance to make direct
comments to the FCC.
http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-technological-advisory-council-investigating-
technical-regulations
Steve, KB9MWR
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9:32 p.m.
I see no reason for bandwidth restrictions either. As long as
the emission in confined to the allocated ham band, why legally
restrict how wide it is? Masochishm?
- Brian
On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 06:15:20PM -0700, Michael Fox - N6MEF wrote:
Excellent find Steve.
The one thing I know that we need to request is elimination of symbol-rate
restrictions, to be replaced with bandwidth restrictions.
Anything else?
Michael
N6MEF
9:39 p.m.
Now imagine someone sending a signal 2 mhz wide on 447 mhz not really cool for the rest of
the Ham community. That is why we need band with limitation
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Le 3 sept. 2017 à 21:33, Brian Kantor
<Brian(a)UCSD.Edu> a écrit :
I see no reason for bandwidth restrictions either. As long as
the emission in confined to the allocated ham band, why legally
restrict how wide it is? Masochishm?
- Brian
On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 06:15:20PM -0700, Michael
Fox - N6MEF wrote:
Excellent find Steve.
The one thing I know that we need to request is elimination of symbol-rate
restrictions, to be replaced with bandwidth restrictions.
Anything else?
Michael
N6MEF
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4 Sep
4 Sep
2:22 a.m.
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, pete M wrote:
Now imagine someone sending a signal 2 mhz wide on 447
mhz not really
cool for the rest of the Ham community. That is why we need band with
limitation
Just because a signal is wide doesn't mean it's causing interference for
everyone occupying the same frequency range. You could for example have
multiple spread spectrum users occupying the same range and using a very
wide signal and not be stomping on each other. The bottom line is that
interference is mitigated, and spectrum is efficiently utilized.
Antonio Querubin
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xmpp: antonioquerubin(a)gmail.com
4:41 a.m.
Mayby i miss something if im wrong please correct me and get my apologies
but why to invent the wheel ?
there is excellent solution that the hamwan doing with the UBNT gear cheep , reliable
we start to build such network this days same way in all our repeaters
why not using it ?
Ronen - 4Z4ZQ
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3 Sep
3 Sep
9:45 p.m.
I see no reason for bandwidth restrictions either. As
long as
the emission in confined to the allocated ham band, why legally
restrict how wide it is? Masochishm?
- Brian
Band sharing. Otherwise, one person could take up the whole band. I need
to refresh my memory, but I'm pretty sure that bandwidth restrictions exist
for other emission types, like SSB, etc.
Oooh. Perhaps we need to make sure the list of permitted emission
designators is also updated.
Michael
N6MEF
10:49 p.m.
On 4/09/2017 11:45 AM, Michael Fox - N6MEF wrote:
Band sharing. Otherwise, one person could take up the
whole band. I need
to refresh my memory, but I'm pretty sure that bandwidth restrictions exist
for other emission types, like SSB, etc.
You mean you're not able to work out
sharing, without the FCC getting
involved over there?
Oooh. Perhaps we need to make sure the list of
permitted emission
designators is also updated.
NO! NO! NO! As long as there is a list of permitted
emission
designators, your regulations remain brittle and prone to rapid
obsolescence (and holding the rest of the world back). Allow any
emission that fits within the band. Hams need to be more responsible
and share the bands on their own, without the authorities wielding a stick.
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10:58 p.m.
On 04/09/17 12:19, Tony Langdon wrote:
.........Allow any
emission that fits within the band. Hams need to be more responsible
and share the bands on their own, without the authorities wielding a stick.
I agree. And with a "pro-deregulation" government, now might just be the
time for US hams to start campaigning for this.
The only band plan rule enforced by the FCC ought to be against
deliberate interference to other hams. Otherwise, you could have a
voluntary plan, perhaps administered by the ARRL. That way you could
foster experimentation and research (such as the one that started this
thread).
Steve
11:17 p.m.
Why let an organization that has been a ball and chain, with only 20% of
the USA ham population as members, be the controller of all things ham?
In this day and age of the internet and direct communications to the
FCC, why can't we just let them set the overall rules and then just
let it continue? Aren't we supposed to be "self policing"?
On 9/3/2017 10:58 PM, Steve Fraser wrote:
On 04/09/17 12:19, Tony Langdon wrote:
.........
The only band plan rule enforced by the FCC ought to be against
deliberate interference to other hams. Otherwise, you could have a
voluntary plan, perhaps administered by the ARRL. That way you could
foster experimentation and research (such as the one that started this
thread).
Steve
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