New subject: 44net is not just for tunneling

6 Jun 2012

Well Brian.  You have fun.  Take my name and email off the site and remove me from the
list.  I don't agee with what you are doing and i really do not care anymore..  Use it
or loose it.  Keep your Kingdom.

K4RJJ  Ronny

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Brian Kantor &lt;Brian(a)ucsd.edu&gt; wrote:

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On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 11:19:34PM +0200, Bjorn Pehrson wrote:
  Any progress towards an AMPRNet AS, an acceptable
use policy that
 not-for-profit research and education networks would accept for
 peering and a fair delegation rulebook with both rights, obligations
 and sanctions that prevents delegated addresses to be not used or 
 misused? 
As has been discussed at length on this mailing list, there are
things that have to be done before we can start delegating subnets.

What is going on is that we (our nonprofit) is attempting to get
organized.  That means getting the legal documents handled, setting
up an advisory committee, work out an agreement with ARIN regarding
our delegation policies, writing an acceptable use policy and subnet
delegation contract, establishing procedures to evaluate delegation
requests, and figure out some way to fund all of this.  

To get an ASN we will need to negotiate with ARIN regarding their
standard AS contract; it appears to require those applying for an ASN to
relinquish a significant amount of autonomy, an amount that I believe is
incompatable with the way we wish to continue to operate network 44.

Note also that an ASN costs $500 plus an annual maintenance fee.
The nonprofit is already about $1k in the hole, financed entirely by me.
We have no source of funds; everything is being done by volunteers
including a significant amount of pro-bono work by a networking-policy-savvy
attorney who has kindly volunteered her time even though she is not
a ham radio licensee (yet).

I'd really like to continue to do this all for free to hams if we can.

We're also working on a web-based replacement for the mail robots that handle
DNS and subnet/gateway matters.

We need to set up an rwhois server to advise of the delegations.  This is
an ARIN requirement and good network citizenship.  It should be integrated
with the web system.

So we've not been idle; things are slowly moving forward.

We *will* be delegating subnets when the necessaries are in place.  Sorry it's
taking so long.  Anyone want to help?
	- Brian

PS: perhaps I misunderstand Internet peering, but I don't see any
need to get an ASN before delegating subnets.  It might be convenient
but I don't think it's a prerequisite.  Perhaps someone knowledgeable
could comment on this.
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